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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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BeggarSo wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 6:56 am
Sometimes I just dont get Spyderco's choices. The Police 4 is okay but at over 4 inches it is also illegal in Florida. 4 inch max folder law.

No length laws where I live. 95% of folders are already designed around restrictions that don't apply anywhere with 300 miles of where I live. Let me have one or two models :rofl
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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Evil D wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 8:08 am
BeggarSo wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 6:56 am
Sometimes I just dont get Spyderco's choices. The Police 4 is okay but at over 4 inches it is also illegal in Florida. 4 inch max folder law.

What I would really like would be the Stretch2 straight Spine and XL in SE K390 a bonus of course. I know they did it in H2 but that is not ffg. Too bad it's not in LC200N.

Wasn't there a Surfing Gringo (wonder where he went?) knife in LC200N?

After getting the chaparral I was looking at something a bit bigger in the same or similar blade stock.


I didn't know you had length laws to deal with. You said large and thin, so I gave you large and thin :winking-tongue

You won't find anything as thin as a Chap in a larger size, there's a champagne to get a Chaparral XL but it hasn't happened yet. That 4 inch law ruins some options like the Native Chief that is just slightly over 4 inches.
But you can find something thinner in the Catcherman. :discguised
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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vivi wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2026 9:13 pm
Evil D wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 8:08 am
BeggarSo wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 6:56 am
Sometimes I just dont get Spyderco's choices. The Police 4 is okay but at over 4 inches it is also illegal in Florida. 4 inch max folder law.

What I would really like would be the Stretch2 straight Spine and XL in SE K390 a bonus of course. I know they did it in H2 but that is not ffg. Too bad it's not in LC200N.

Wasn't there a Surfing Gringo (wonder where he went?) knife in LC200N?

After getting the chaparral I was looking at something a bit bigger in the same or similar blade stock.


I didn't know you had length laws to deal with. You said large and thin, so I gave you large and thin :winking-tongue

You won't find anything as thin as a Chap in a larger size, there's a champagne to get a Chaparral XL but it hasn't happened yet. That 4 inch law ruins some options like the Native Chief that is just slightly over 4 inches.
But you can find something thinner in the Catcherman. :discguised

Yeah I always forget about the Catcherman. 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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Evil D wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:54 am
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Yeah I always forget about the Catcherman. 🤦🏻‍♂️
I think he was asking about full SE and with a still under 4", but thin blade...? (Correct me if I am wrong, @BeggarSo )
BeggarSo wrote:
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After getting the chaparral I was looking at something a bit bigger in the same or similar blade stock.
This would actually be the Chap XL indeed if they´ll make an SE version of it too... (as said, after "campaigning" like seven years for it, I am more than perfectly happy to see "just" a PE Chap XL, but I won´t lie: If it came in SE too, that would be the unbelievable icing on an anyway amazing cake...;) )
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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Wartstein wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2026 12:15 am
Evil D wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:54 am
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Yeah I always forget about the Catcherman. 🤦🏻‍♂️
I think he was asking about full SE and with a still under 4", but thin blade...? (Correct me if I am wrong, @BeggarSo )
BeggarSo wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2026 6:56 am
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After getting the chaparral I was looking at something a bit bigger in the same or similar blade stock.
This would actually be the Chap XL indeed if they´ll make an SE version of it too... (as said, after "campaigning" like seven years for it, I am more than perfectly happy to see "just" a PE Chap XL, but I won´t lie: If it came in SE too, that would be the unbelievable icing on an anyway amazing cake...;) )
Yes sir.
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thin, fully serrated spyderco under 4" blade length ;)
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I lived under length laws for most of my life, I've tweaked the blade length on many knives. My very first Paramilitary 1 even got shortened because it was just a few mm too long. You can either blame the knife maker for not catering to your specific needs or you can buy a Dremel or even just a pack of sandpaper and put some elbow grease into it. I've seen people make the argument that if Spyderco's website says it's over the limit then that's what the court will go with, my answer to that is let's see what my lawyer has to say about that when he sees that I put forth the effort to make my knife compliant with the law, which will only make me look better to the judge.


In other news, I really wish they'd do another run of fully serrated Catcherman.
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I just finished reading this entire thread, and picked up a Dragonfly H2. It's a great design. My budget isn't allowing for another knife-related purchase for some time, so I don't have access to a Sharpmaker. I am wondering if anyone has experience doing serration sharpening with a Worksharp Precision Adjust sharpening system? I also have SHARPAL 178N 3-in-1 Blade Sharpener, which I want to somehow attach to the Worksharp system so that I can round out the sharp teeth.
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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vivi wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2026 7:06 pm
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thin, fully serrated spyderco under 4" blade length ;)
:smlling-eyes
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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Evil D wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2026 3:21 am
I lived under length laws for most of my life, I've tweaked the blade length on many knives. My very first Paramilitary 1 even got shortened because it was just a few mm too long. You can either blame the knife maker for not catering to your specific needs or you can buy a Dremel or even just a pack of sandpaper and put some elbow grease into it. I've seen people make the argument that if Spyderco's website says it's over the limit then that's what the court will go with, my answer to that is let's see what my lawyer has to say about that when he sees that I put forth the effort to make my knife compliant with the law, which will only make me look better to the judge.


In other news, I really wish they'd do another run of fully serrated Catcherman.
No blame for the knife maker nor desire to modify length. Plenty of blame for idiotic knife laws and the fools that champion them.
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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Hi V9w1Co2,

Welcome to our forum.

There are many opinions of the best way to sharpen serrations, and most think that their way is the best. Spyderco recommends the Spyderco Sharpmaker or the Spyderco Gauntlet, using the corner of the triangle or the edge of the ""Cat's Eye" stone.. Spyderco also recommends a magnifying loupe about 10X - 12X to better see what is going on with the edge..

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v9w1Co2 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2026 3:45 am
I just finished reading this entire thread, and picked up a Dragonfly H2. It's a great design. My budget isn't allowing for another knife-related purchase for some time, so I don't have access to a Sharpmaker. I am wondering if anyone has experience doing serration sharpening with a Worksharp Precision Adjust sharpening system? I also have SHARPAL 178N 3-in-1 Blade Sharpener, which I want to somehow attach to the Worksharp system so that I can round out the sharp teeth.
If I didn't have a sharpmaker, I would take sheets of sandpaper and attach them to something like a desk that has a hard corner. The corner of bench stones can also do in a pinch.

But, like the man himself said, sharpmakers pair with serrated edges better than anything else on the market. Anyone that uses serrated knives, particularly spydercos, owes it to themselves to get one. You'll get better results than with any other system I am aware of.
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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What I have found that works really well is to take my Hapstone fixed angle sharpener discover the angle of the scallops using a sharpmaker triangle rod and a TSPROF Angle finder on the Bodacious they came in at 20 degrees.

So I used the sharpmaker stones to sharpen the Scallops usi g the Hapstone a complete waste of time.

Next I took the 6 inch rectangular CBN Stones at the same angle and flattened rhe raised parts of the serrations so they became less pointy and kind of squared off.

Yes sharpening a serrated knife like a PE.

After that back to the CBN rods on the sharpmaker and the CBN Rods on the Gauntlet sharpening like Sal shoWs in the videos for the sharpmaker, then brown then whitE then Ultrafine Sharp maker rods.

Followed by sharpening the serrated knife like a PE knife on the Gauntlet and Sharpmaker.

The Bodacious is wicked sharp. I am contemplating getting some wheels for my Dremel and using CDN and Diamond paste at different microns to really refine the serrations even more before posting pictures.
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Although it's certainly not as capable as a Sharpmaker, I have a Lansky triangular crock stick that I take when I travel. Reprofiling with it would be a major project, but touch-ups are OK. The price is reasonable.
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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sal wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2026 1:47 pm
Hi V9w1Co2,

Welcome to our forum.

There are many opinions of the best way to sharpen serrations, and most think that their way is the best. Spyderco recommends the Spyderco Sharpmaker or the Spyderco Gauntlet, using the corner of the triangle or the edge of the ""Cat's Eye" stone.. Spyderco also recommends a magnifying loupe about 10X - 12X to better see what is going on with the edge..

sal
Thank you for the welcome, Sal. I have ordered a Sharpmaker and loupe. Should be a good investment for all my other utility edged tools.
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

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On that matter,

I have written a review on the UKPK Salt Serrated here:

viewtopic.php?t=99443

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Nemo3000 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2026 3:32 am
On that matter,

I have written a review on the UKPK Salt Serrated here:

viewtopic.php?t=99443

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Great read. Thank you!
I have the Native Chief a great knife for my uses.
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I went straight for the Chief review. I have this model and it’s a wicked animal. Great review!
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Thank you 🙏
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