Sage 6 opened in pocket and bit me good :)

[navin johnson]

Had a Manix light weight open (or was already opened) several times when drawing from from IWB……

Back locks only unless carried in the front pocket tip up against the rear seam fo me

[Synov]

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The button on the Sage 6 does stick out proud from the scales, and I’m wondering if it is possible to have the knife open if you were to lay the knife on a flat surface, button side down, and push the knife flat. It may be more of a ‘2nd detent/single detent’ question at that point.

The button on the Sage 6 contacts the lock bar, and doesn't do anything until the knife is locked open. I think of it as the opposite of a side-opening automatic knife where the button allows the knife to open (and close), where on the Sage 6 pressing the button just allows the knife to close. I still like the Sage 6 and often carry it loose in my pocket, but like many tools caution is advised. If the Sage 6 easily opens (like in your pocket) then the pivot screws are probably too loose.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

[Jesla]

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The button on the Sage 6 does stick out proud from the scales, and I’m wondering if it is possible to have the knife open if you were to lay the knife on a flat surface, button side down, and push the knife flat. It may be more of a ‘2nd detent/single detent’ question at that point.

The button on the Sage 6 contacts the lock bar, and doesn't do anything until the knife is locked open. I think of it as the opposite of a side-opening automatic knife where the button allows the knife to open (and close), where on the Sage 6 pressing the button just allows the knife to close. I still like the Sage 6 and often carry it loose in my pocket, but like many tools caution is advised. If the Sage 6 easily opens (like in your pocket) then the pivot screws are probably too loose.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

[Aladinsane]

Back locks only unless carried in the front pocket tip up against the rear seam fo me

Good idea! Much better than the “Opti-Grab”!

[Synov]

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The button on the Sage 6 does stick out proud from the scales, and I’m wondering if it is possible to have the knife open if you were to lay the knife on a flat surface, button side down, and push the knife flat. It may be more of a ‘2nd detent/single detent’ question at that point.

The button on the Sage 6 contacts the lock bar, and doesn't do anything until the knife is locked open. I think of it as the opposite of a side-opening automatic knife where the button allows the knife to open (and close), where on the Sage 6 pressing the button just allows the knife to close. I still like the Sage 6 and often carry it loose in my pocket, but like many tools caution is advised. If the Sage 6 easily opens (like in your pocket) then the pivot screws are probably too loose.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

[Jesla]

The button on the Sage 6 contacts the lock bar, and doesn't do anything until the knife is locked open. I think of it as the opposite of a side-opening automatic knife where the button allows the knife to open (and close), where on the Sage 6 pressing the button just allows the knife to close. I still like the Sage 6 and often carry it loose in my pocket, but like many tools caution is advised. If the Sage 6 easily opens (like in your pocket) then the pivot screws are probably too loose.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

Yes it does/I do, see a quote from your post below…. The compression locks of any syderco knife does not lock the blade closed, a dent is not a lock. Even the sage 6 can be opened without a ever pushing the button.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

[Mushroom]

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

Yes it does/I do, see a quote from your post below…. The compression locks of any syderco knife does not lock the blade closed, a dent is not a lock. Even the sage 6 can be opened without a ever pushing the button.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

“…the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock”

Am I missing something or are you?

[cjk]

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

Yes it does/I do, see a quote from your post below…. The compression locks of any syderco knife does not lock the blade closed, a dent is not a lock. Even the sage 6 can be opened without a ever pushing the button.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

“…the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock”

Am I missing something or are you?

A lot of hair splitting and semantics. Compression lock knives don't *lock* closed. Other than that, all parties' points were successfully communicated. We've all learned that lockbacks are still best. Back to your regularly scheduled program!!

[Mushroom]

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

Yes it does/I do, see a quote from your post below…. The compression locks of any syderco knife does not lock the blade closed, a dent is not a lock. Even the sage 6 can be opened without a ever pushing the button.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

“…the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock”

Am I missing something or are you?

A lot of hair splitting and semantics. Compression lock knives don't *lock* closed. Other than that, all parties' points were successfully communicated. We've all learned that lockbacks are still best. Back to your regularly scheduled program!!

Oh! Unreal but too funny...

[cjk]

A lot of hair splitting and semantics. Compression lock knives don't *lock* closed. Other than that, all parties' points were successfully communicated. We've all learned that lockbacks are still best. Back to your regularly scheduled program!!

Oh! Unreal but too funny...

[Infinite Zero]

This is why I prefer locks with a close bias, such as Back Locks and Ball Bearing Locks.

[ladybug93]

where would the world be without people arguing over knife locks on the internet?

maybe we'd actually be solving real problems like how to get your spouse to pick a place to eat.

[vivi]

where would the world be without people arguing over knife locks on the internet?

maybe we'd actually be solving real problems like how to get your spouse to pick a place to eat.

be a chef

[Synov]

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That is not true, for any regular compression lock I have, the blade is not locked closed, it has a weak closed dent. If you drop shake them hard enough the blade will swing to full lock having never touched the lock release. Also you can spydie hole open any compression lock without pushing the release. The blade is not “locked” closed.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Regular compression locks don't have the second detent that the Sage 6 does. That's the only difference besides the button itself.

Yes it does/I do, see a quote from your post below…. The compression locks of any syderco knife does not lock the blade closed, a dent is not a lock. Even the sage 6 can be opened without a ever pushing the button.

That's not quite true, the button also unlocks the knife when it's closed, just like a regular compression lock, but the second detent will keep it closed. Many are removing the second detent.

That was in response to you saying the button "doesn't do anything" until the knife is locked open. It does, it allows the blade to open more easily. Whether this is "unlocking" is just semantics.

[raygixxer89]

All jokes aside. I had a Para 3 LW open in a pair mesh gym shorts. Not sure how it happened but I was digging for my keys. Now I only carry lock back knives when wearing gym shorts. The detents are stronger. I’ve worked with sheet metal for over 20years. Knife cuts are very baby compared to some of the metals cuts I’ve seen and got myself. Not to mention I almost cut my thumb off with a chainsaw . Cuts happen is all I’m saying. It’s what makes a knife not a spoon lol.

Yup. But I've used a knife as a fork!