SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.

[spydutch]

David, you really made my Sunday with this post. I haven't been over here since ages only to find this gem.
As a full serrations nut since 2005, I very much appreciate this.
I had a plan to make one of these post myself but you did a better job than I ever could since I can't post pics anymore on this forum (photobucket broke down for me)
Nice to see I'm not the only one with those wavy serrations on my Salts. It sure was a labour of love, but very well worth it.
Thanks man!

[Wartstein]

David, you really made my Sunday with this post. I haven't been over here since ages only to find this gem.
As a full serrations nut since 2005, I very much appreciate this.
I had a plan to make one of these post myself but you did a better job than I ever could since I can't post pics anymore on this forum (photobucket broke down for me)
Nice to see I'm not the only one with those wavy serrations on my Salts. It sure was a labour of love, but very well worth it.
Thanks man!

Here viewtopic.php?p=1332284#p1332284 is shown how you easily can post pics
... and yes, Davids thread is great and serrations are too

[SpyderEdgeForever]

David, you really made my Sunday with this post. I haven't been over here since ages only to find this gem.
As a full serrations nut since 2005, I very much appreciate this.
I had a plan to make one of these post myself but you did a better job than I ever could since I can't post pics anymore on this forum (photobucket broke down for me)
Nice to see I'm not the only one with those wavy serrations on my Salts. It sure was a labour of love, but very well worth it.
Thanks man!

Here viewtopic.php?p=1332284#p1332284 is shown how you easily can post pics
... and yes, Davids thread is great and serrations are too

Wartstein my friend serrations are functionally excellent. I prefer combo edges.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

David hello friend. What is your opinion of knife makers cutting serrations onto the top half of a knife blade rather than the bottom half? Would that improve cutting performance?

[Wartstein]

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Here viewtopic.php?p=1332284#p1332284 is shown how you easily can post pics
... and yes, Davids thread is great and serrations are too

Wartstein my friend serrations are functionally excellent. I prefer combo edges.

SEF, my friend, so you´re back?! That´s good!!

/ Actually my ffg comboedge Endura ("thin red line") really made me appreciate comboedges again! Very useful indeed. Though I think at the end of the day I still prefer full SE with that short (but not TOO short) PE section towards the tip.

Just lately though I came across a task where PE is actually clearly superior over PE: Had to scrape some sticky residue from a wooden surface - no way SE could do that sufficiently (same goes for scraping resin of dwarf mountain pines from my palms - sometimes one has to grab that shrubs when climbing, cause they cover all of the rock at some patches).

[Bill1170]

My wife and I visited a friend today at her new home. We helped her load a bunch of corrugated cardboard into her car. A few very large boxes needed to be cut up to fit in her subcompact vehicle. I used my K390 SE Endura to make swift work of these.

As I had noticed with my Endela SE, Spyderedges are superior for this work because the scallops trap the work such that the blade stays engaged rather than pushing out of the cut. This matters more when you don’t have a supporting surface for the work and have to cut in free air, with only a bit of support by the lower edge flaps resting on the ground. I could cut through two layers of heavy three-layer corrugated at once under less-than-ideal conditions and it was easy!

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Bill and anyone else, a fisherman told me plain edges work best for filleting and butchering fish but serrated work best for cords and line. Is that true?

[Bill1170]

I don’t have much experience cutting fish, so cannot comment on that with any authority. Hopefully Lance (Surfgringo on here) can weigh in on the fish question. Cutting cord/rope is generally superior with serrated edges, that task I have done enough to know about.

[Albertaboyscott]

I lost my pm2 serrated at work a few months ago. There is a stetch2 xl serrated on the way. I'm looking forward to getting back on the toothy bandwagon. For my construction job, nothing really compares. I've also never had vg10 in serrated so looking forward to putting it to the test.

[Wartstein]

I lost my pm2 serrated at work a few months ago. There is a stetch2 xl serrated on the way. I'm looking forward to getting back on the toothy bandwagon. For my construction job, nothing really compares. I've also never had vg10 in serrated so looking forward to putting it to the test.

I am 100% positive you'll love the particular way the Stretch XL serrations are done and also VG 10 with teeth! Supereasy to touch up, but, typically SE, also with good edge holding!

I have to be honest though:
In the context of a hard work construction job I'd be a bit worried about the very fine Stretch XL tip - even finer in the SE chisel grind.

Don't have my (PE) PM2 here to compare, but I am pretty sure its tip is more robust (blade starts out with thicker stock and is shorter, so less tapering on the spine).

Now you could always give the Stretch XL a more robust tip by adding that "Endura drop" diy...will cost a little bit of edge length though.

Or: Keep the Stretch XL for "nornal" EDC (where the fine tip can be really useful) and get the studier (overall, not only in the tip area) Endela SE for your work... great serrations too, and in size really close to the PM2 you had...

[Albertaboyscott]

Thanks Warstein.
I was just tuning up my new toy and noticed the thin tip. Most of my cutting is plastic banding, extention cords, cardboard etc so i can avoid most piercing and grab a better tool if push comes to shove.
Plus the XL was $125can shipped so I figure if I lose/damage this one it won't hurt as bad.
When I'm throwing pallets or heavy items into bins the pocket clip catches the material im lifting and occasionally pulls my knives out. I've lost two in the past two years. (Tears welling up)
The only knives that really stay put are my AD10s. Most people don't like how hard those pocket clips grab but perfect for my needs and is an outstanding knife. I've been thinking about the XL in.my left pocket and ad10 in the right. Not too much you couldn't handle with that combo!

[Wartstein]

Thanks Warstein.
I was just tuning up my new toy and noticed the thin tip. Most of my cutting is plastic banding, extention cords, cardboard etc so i can avoid most piercing and grab a better tool if push comes to shove.
Plus the XL was $125can shipped so I figure if I lose/damage this one it won't hurt as bad.
When I'm throwing pallets or heavy items into bins the pocket clip catches the material im lifting and occasionally pulls my knives out. I've lost two in the past two years. (Tears welling up)
The only knives that really stay put are my AD10s. Most people don't like how hard those pocket clips grab but perfect for my needs and is an outstanding knife. I've been thinking about the XL in.my left pocket and ad10 in the right. Not too much you couldn't handle with that combo!

To me tips or how a tip is done can never be absolutely perfect, it is always a compromise...
The Stretch XL tip, especially in SE chisel grind, is incredibly useful for "finer" tip work, for removing splinters or ticks from the skin and so on...

But said it before:

I´d not feel comfortable to bring the Stretch XL SE as my only outdoor knife for example (while I absolutely would an Endura, let alone an H2 Pac Salt SE) due to the fine tip.

That said:
The Stretch XL is so incredibly light and easy to carry, that I sometimes just pair it with my Chaparral, and just use the latter for work that is harder on the tip (YES, the Chap DOES have a sturdier tip, even if some might not believe that... and often times there is also less leverag on that tip, due to the short blade).
Stretch XL SE and Chap PE are still a very light and thin package, and complement each other perfectly in outdoor use!
(... Man, the XL was still new and shiny in that old pic...)

[SchoonerBum]

Bill and anyone else, a fisherman told me plain edges work best for filleting and butchering fish but serrated work best for cords and line. Is that true?

It’s true but with some exceptions. For most rigging work I need a neatly finished cut, and for that PE is superior. I typically carry a PE blade for rigging and an SE blade for emergencies or anything where I’m not concerned about a nearly finished end on a line.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Bill and anyone else, a fisherman told me plain edges work best for filleting and butchering fish but serrated work best for cords and line. Is that true?

It’s true but with some exceptions. For most rigging work I need a neatly finished cut, and for that PE is superior. I typically carry a PE blade for rigging and an SE blade for emergencies or anything where I’m not concerned about a nearly finished end on a line.

Thank you for this great and informative answer, Schooner!

Would you like to see Spyderco make more rigging and sailing centered knives?

[SchoonerBum]

Always!

One of the things that drew me to Spyderco and that keeps me around is their commitment to the salts and to knives that are useful to sailors in general. Sal and Gail are sailors and it shows in the knives that they make.

I would love to see an FRN backlock Caribbean someday, and a fixed-blade rig knife of similar proportions would be stellar. I’ve spent most of my career being a PE snob but I’m coming around on SE and CE. A CE fixed blade rig knife with a serrated section about the scale of the Catcherman would work really well - a long section of PE for neat work and a short section of CE for emergencies would be a wonderful tool.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Yes I want a FRN Caribbean please.

[Wartstein]

...
I would love to see an FRN backlock Caribbean someday......

Yes I want a FRN Caribbean please.

Caribbean SE in FRN, but more importantly also with a backlock, always has my support!!
I hear wonders about how great the serrations are done in this model, but in a harder use outdoor knife a comp.lock is just not for me (and G10 not a deal breaker, but FRN clearly preferable).

[SaltyCaribbeanDfly]

FRN backlock Caribbean

[SpyderEdgeForever]

FRN backlock Caribbean

Yes

[cabfrank]

would it still be a Caribbean then?