m390 CF millie owners post your observations regarding Fit & Finish

[Ankerson]

I had a look at the jimping on my Manix 2 Carpenter Sprint, it's very sharp, crisp and uiniform. Also the BM mini grip that in my pocket, both of which cost far less.

Maybe you SHOULD get out your macro and do a comparison, I think you'd find that the OP has a legitimate concern.

I'd be happy to post some macro shots if you have any doubt to the validity of my claims.

I have a bunch of Spydercos here also by the way....

There will be some variation here and there in production knives, that is the nature of knives in general.

if all that is not perfect with the knife is that the jimping isn't perfect then well that's a good thing taking into count the law of averages.

However it's up to ther end user to do what they want with it, send it back, sell it or keep it.

[Ankerson]

This seems to always happen on dealer exclusives and sprints.

How does that saying go about satisfying people some of the time...

Those that purchased sprints and exclusives in the past already know you're not going to get a perfect, custom quality knife that has a much higher price tag than what you're buying.

Then, there is always the group of noobs that think otherwise.

Seems that people make mountians out of mole hills just because.

[mikerestivo]

Hey there all :)

I would be happy if mine were already there. :D I use my knifes and do not look at her me not under the magnifying glass.
I will call it Pea counter.If you will find a small error you find. IMO i also can find nuts on my striders and Hinderer.
Sorry No attack against someone only my opinion

Enjoy the beautiful knifes of SPYDERCO :spyder:

Yeah really I could go at any knife with my 105mm Macro Lens and blow up the photos and find all kinds of things if I really wanted to.

But I don't.

I have to agree. This macro photo thing has become a trend on this site lately. Several of the folks that have posted like this seem to have a history of having issues with more than one of their new Spyderco knives. My jimping looks fine to the naked eye on mine. When I look at it through a jeweler's loupe, it looks like it was done by human hands and I can find all kinds of flaws. Macro shots can be deceiving, making a booger look like a volcano at times.

The OP says that the knife is functionally flawed now because the jimping doesn't work. It can be argued that jimping on a thumb ramped knife is gratuitous anyway in terms of function. There are numerous models with a thumb ramp without jimping and I don't recall a groundswell of complaints about thumbs slipping up over the spine (the Superhawk comes to mind, as well as the Persian).

There is a strong sense of entitlement among some that when you pay good money for a knife it should be perfect. The question is, whose form of perfection are we talking about? Naked eye and functionally perfect or microscopic perfect?

The other odd thing about our hobby is that Spyderco makes highly sought-after and sometimes collectible tools. The collectibility drives the demand for perfection, but it's still odd to me at times. I can't recall ever getting bent about machining marks on a new hammer.

[Ankerson]

There is a strong sense of entitlement among some that when you pay good money for a knife it should be perfect. The question is, whose form of perfection are we talking about? Naked eye and functionally perfect or microscopic perfect?

Never understood that myself really, I have known more than a few people that thought like that for whatever reason over the years. Mostly they complain about everything and anything they can find and nit pick all the time, that's the ones that I know anyway.

Then I have seen people complain over a $5 item wanting that to be perfect and state they paid a lot of money for it etc.

Then there are those who will burn more gas to get a deal than they save in the end.....

Don't know what the answer is personally as I am not a therapist, but I am sure one could shed some light on the subject.

Personally I believe it has something to do with being out of touch with reality and what to really expect, today's society seems to be much worse in that respect IMO.

[bitbyte]

This seems to always happen on dealer exclusives and sprints.

How does that saying go about satisfying people some of the time...

Those that purchased sprints and exclusives in the past already know you're not going to get a perfect, custom quality knife that has a much higher price tag than what you're buying.

Then, there is always the group of noobs that think otherwise.

So anyone with a differing opinion than you is automatically labeled as a 'noob" in a misguided attempt to discredit them?

Ad hominem attacks are not only unwarranted, but are also a logical fallacy.

[Slash]

So anyone with a differing opinion than you is automatically labeled as a 'noob" in a misguided attempt to discredit them?

Ad hominem attacks are not only unwarranted, but are also a logical fallacy.

If you're not happy with the quality of your knife. Pm me, I'll be glad to take it off you hands.
Maybe noob was the wrong term. What else would you call someone that purchased a $200 knife for the first time and expected perfection...rookie or amateur? Or just really picky.

[bitbyte]

If you're not happy with the quality of your knife. Pm me, I'll be glad to take it off you hands.
Maybe noob was the wrong term. What else would you call someone that purchased a $200 knife for the first time and expected perfection...rookie or amatuer? Or just really picky.

I'd call it others having differing expectations than you. I feel that if it can be done on a 50 dollar knife, it's reasonable to expect on a more expensive one. If that doesn't matter to you, that's certainly your choice.

That being said. I'd be more curious to see what the jimping looked like on some of the production Millies as that would set the stage for people's expectations on the Sprint units.

[sir_mike]

I have owned Delica's that didnt have the perfect chipping on them like the pic shows. I do find that alittle annoying and it does kinda bothers me but not so much with a $50 knife as it would with a $200 sprint run knife as I would expect the sprint run held to a higher standard because of the value and potential value.

Maybe it is just me as I have been in Quality for 30+ years and perhaps I have higher standards than Spyderco if they let that go.

I also expect the blade to be centered, is that wrong too? Dont have to be exact but should be close to center, give or take alittle.

[bitbyte]

There will be some variation here and there in production knives, that is the nature of knives in general.

if all that is not perfect with the knife is that the jimping isn't perfect then well that's a good thing taking into count the law of averages.

I think that's what the OP is trying to establish here. Whether this is an exception, or if they all look like this? It's a valid question.

[Wisehybred]

I'd call it others having differing expectations than you. I feel that if it can be done on a 50 dollar knife, it's reasonable to expect on a more expensive one. If that doesn't matter to you, that's certainly your choice.

That being said. I'd be more curious to see what the jimping looked like on some of the production Millies as that would set the stage for people's expectations on the Sprint units.

WRONG WRONG and more WRONG. Jimping aside......i would worry more about uneven bevels than aesthetic or even functional jimping. A 200 dollar knife at this level of F&F is truly unmatched.

[bitbyte]

WRONG WRONG and more WRONG. Jimping aside......i would worry more about uneven bevels than aesthetic or even functional jimping. A 200 dollar knife at this level of F&F is truly unmatched.

Wrong how? Explain yourself. I'm wrong just because you disagree? Seriously?

I'm not even sure what you mean by the rest of the sentence...

[JNewell]

This seems to always happen on dealer exclusives and sprints.

Maybe they get more scrutiny...dunno...

[Ankerson]

Maybe they get more scrutiny...dunno...

I tend to think they do because they tend to cost more.

So the 1st thing some do is go over them looking for things expecting them to be perfect.

The reason they cost more is due to the materials used.

[black]

I think that's what the OP is trying to establish here. Whether this is an exception, or if they all look like this? It's a valid question.

I paid as much as anybody else (if not more) for this knife so why can't i have a flawless specimen while others can? That's what bothers me. It's like playing the lottery...

WRONG WRONG and more WRONG. Jimping aside......i would worry more about uneven bevels than aesthetic or even functional jimping. A 200 dollar knife at this level of F&F is truly unmatched.

The bevels are uneven as well... but i learned that most "knifemakers" aren't capable of making even bevels so i don't really care anymore.

[Ankerson]

The bevels are uneven as well... but i learned that most "knifemakers" aren't capable of making even bevels so i don't really care anymore.

That's happens more than some would believe even in high dollar customs......

[JNewell]

I paid as much as anybody else (if not more) for this knife so why can't i have a flawless specimen while others can? That's what bothers me. It's like playing the lottery...

The bevels are uneven as well... but i learned that most "knifemakers" aren't capable of making even bevels so i don't really care anymore.

I am having trouble making the first paragraph compute. How do you know theirs are flawless? Maybe they just didn't get out the macro lens and enlarge the pics to 12x life size? Is it ever realistic to expect a "flawless" (your word) production knife/toaster/car/phone/whatever? Isn't every day in effect a lottery in thousands of ways? Does life really owe you a flawless, "fair," perfectly equal existence? :confused:

[Wisehybred]

I am having trouble making the first paragraph compute. How do you know theirs are flawless? Maybe they just didn't get out the macro lens and enlarge the pics to 12x life size? Is it ever realistic to expect a "flawless" (your word) production knife/toaster/car/phone/whatever? Isn't every day in effect a lottery in thousands of ways? Does life really owe you a flawless, "fair," perfectly equal existence? :confused:

This is what I was trying to say :) Thanks JNewell
Pardon my french.....use the Focking knife and stop *****ing people.

[chuck_roxas45]

Don't you guys know that backward jimping is all the rage now?

[Ankerson]

Don't you guys know that backward jimping is all the rage now?

Wouldn't know because I prefer smooth handles with zero jimping for a user knife that I would be using for long periods of time. :)

[Wisehybred]

Yup. Its the new fad like backwards baseball caps