If you could have a Delica 5

[uhiforgot]

Why are we doing your homework?



Academic dishonesty......?

No?

I wouldn't call it that at all. I'd call it collaboration; it's an absolutely essential part of the design process. It's always good to have somebody at the very least proof-reviewing your ideas because you're not going to catch every miscalculation in a given design. Also, we all feel very strongly for things like the Delica and its details. If qk73 were to collaborate with an arbitrary group of classmates, they might not know where to start thinking about these details if they even gave a **** at all.

If nothing else, I will rest easy participating in this thread knowing that quattrokid73 is getting ample opportunity to LEARN about design, and I'm pretty sure that's the aim of having such homework in the first place.

[markg]

Integrated USB Thumb Drive...

On it, have preloaded software that will list the knife for sale on eBay when you no longer want it.

In seriousness...

1.) Wire clip sounds good

2.) No choil... get a Caly or Native if you want that.

3.) Keep the front lock.

[Agent Starling]

What do you guys think? The sooner I get responses the better. This is due soon!

Thanks!

hey qkid~

My opinion is that you should figure this out for yourself. :) There is nothing like pushing one's self where creative endeavours are concerned, and coming up with the answer on your own, especially under time pressure. You have to love the struggle, push against it, and the reward will be much greater!

lecture over...just had to add in my two cents...as I believe, and have experienced, that where creativity is concerned, you've gotta pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. :)

Agent Starling

[quattrokid73]

Thanks for the concern about my education fellas.

But honestly we are pushed to research and test and gather input from others. I'm not sitting here waiting for you guys to tell me an answer. I'm gathering your input and supplimenting it with my own, along with that of others. Just last night I had people in my dorm holding various Spydercos and giving me user feedback.

Industrial Design is not something that happens hidden away in an art studio, it is a culmination of many factors, the last of which is personal style.

First and foremost I've got to improve function, then form comes later.

Ergonomics is the change in design that comes from quantitative analysis of human interaction. Your input is extremely helpful in my efficient tackling of design decisions.

Keep the feedback coming!

Thanks!

[spydutch]

Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.

Don't know about that pivot, but furhermore it sounds great Paul :cool:

[ozspyder]

Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.

DING DING DING !!!! we have a winner !!! :D

That's a home run Paul... well struck mate :p

[Agent Starling]

Thanks for the concern about my education fellas.

it doesn't slip by that easily, y'know... :p :rolleyes: :cool: :p

Agent Starling :D

[Spygineer]

Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.

Forgive my ignorance, but why reduce the blade thickness? What is the advantage, other than slicing better? Is there a trade off in durability?

[nathan310]

I had my first Product Design class today and my homework is to make revisions to the Delica 4 (cool schoolwork, huh?!). I've got to submit 5 ideas by next monday. The idea is to revise the design not replace it. Therefore, it's as if I am making a Delica 5 not a whole new Spyderco knife.

My current ideas are as follows:

Thick FFG blade similar to G10 D4 and Caly 3.

Revised version of wire carry clip. 4 way unlike the Caly 3's 2 way.

Like the Rescue, I can integrate features such as a whistle, or something that squeezes out the end (like a mini pry bar?!?!)

Changing to compression lock.

I was also planning on adding more texturing to the smooth surfaces of the knife.

What do you guys think? The sooner I get responses the better. This is due soon!

Thanks!

Excellent idea!

I would like a version with a g10 of gippy cf handle also.

[Crocodilo]

Only two design/construction changes:

1. Thicker blade
2. Full flat grind

These two combined might give an increase in cutting performance maintaining blade strength. Total weight shouldn't suffer much.

One extra option/variation:

3. Black G10 scales

Sort of a premium model... eventually coupled with a different steel (ZDP, S30V)

One cosmetic change:

4. Bare metal polished clip

The clip coating is the first place to show wear marks. Keeping it uncoated, as many of us do, matches the blade and makes for a great look, although it carries less discreetly.

One final thought (and I'm gonna get flammed for this): I know many people love the versatility of the 4-way clip screws. Forget it. No more holes scattered throughout. Real knives carry tip down, period.

[redhawk44357]

day-glo orange handles to find in the dark

[MAT888]

Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.

I agree on the first half but the increase pivot.....add 50/50 coil part sounds foreign= needs more explanation.
I know dumb strangers.. :D

Full flat 2mm thang i'm in love... lol

[dialex]

Thank you for the challenge. I always thought the Delica is very close to perfection, but just because of this you are even more tempted to improve it. Obviously, it depends a lot on personal prefferences, but if i were to conceive a Delica just or myself, it would be:

- FRN GITD handles, unlinered, bidirectional scalefish pattern (a la Caly jr.), shaped like the gen IV (with the rounded butt); with texturing at the finger choil and at the butt (for reverse grip)
- finger choil with fine texturing (like there is at the Lava)
- riveted, but with a thicker pivot pin.
- wireclip like there is at the Native III, with coin adjustable barrel bolt;
- front lock, undented but with some jimping, moved a little forward;
- full flat grind VG-10 blade, Delica I style, 3 mm thick, crowned spine, fine texturing at the finger choil (again, like there is at the Lava), prefferably with deep serrations (Arend, do you copy?)

Ummm, would I buy one? :rolleyes:

[Doc Pyres]

Lot's of good suggestions here but the only change I'd really be behind would be a wire clip. I guess it's true. It's hard to improve on perfection. :)

I WOULD like to see an Orange G-10 Delica 4 to compliment the FG G-10 D4. Same FFG too.

[dogrunner]

Lots of interesting discussion. As a long time folder user and Delica user, I have a hard time thinking of any way to improve it. The one suggestion that jumps out at me though is the Blaze Orange handle - so it is easier to find if I put it down or it jumps ship (I lost a Salt I that way during a mt bike ride).

Any drawings to show yet ?

[quattrokid73]

Thanks for the great input everyone. I'll post sketches Sunday night! The project is due Monday.

[benplaut]

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[quattrokid73]

Here's my sketch for tomorrow.



Main Design Considerations:

Blade: I changed the profile to something with more slicing ability. The tip is more
pronounced for detail work and the kick point is smaller to maximize usable cutting area.

Clip: The wire clip allows for more discrete carry while also cutting down on
manufacturing cost.

Lock: The V4’s back lock needed a lot of parts to operate and made disassembly diffacult. I changed the model to a compression lock, which utilized the existing steel liners to create an even stronger lock.

Image: By creating harder lines, the knife becomes more visually distinct. The addition of a larger emblem allows for easier brand recognition while adding a nice graphical element.

Extras: The ability to add a glass breaker adds an extremely useful function to the knife at a minimal cost. This cost is offset by the amounts saved in the new manufacturing
process.



Ergonomics: Enhanced through use of hard edges and extra texturing.

Durability: New lock design is stronger, lighter, and has less parts.

Reliability: In addition to the new lock, this revision uses less screws.

Maintenance: New lock permits for easier disassembly, aided by fewer screws.

Choice of Materials: All materials remain identical to respective roles in previous model.

Construction: Combination of current methods plus those implimented in other designs.

Economy of design: Less holes drilled, steel liner material redesigned into integrated lock.

Aesthetics: Harder lines make knife more appealing.

Graphics: Larger logo aid in brand recognition while adding to the new look.

Instructions: Knife design is straight forward enough to not need instructions.

Perceived value: Lower cost of manufacturing means an even better value.

Envoronmental effects: Waste steel can be reused. Less drilling means less plastic waste.

Packaging: Robust design means minimal reinforcement will be needed.

Marketing: Larger emblem aid in establishing brand identity.

[Doc Pyres]

So THIS is how one gets hired by Spyderco! :D

Pretty cool stuff, Quattro! :)

[quattrokid73]

I would love to have feedback from Sal. That would be a great learning experience.