I had my first Product Design class today and my homework is to make revisions to the Delica 4 (cool schoolwork, huh?!). I've got to submit 5 ideas by next monday. The idea is to revise the design not replace it. Therefore, it's as if I am making a Delica 5 not a whole new Spyderco knife.
My current ideas are as follows:
Thick FFG blade similar to G10 D4 and Caly 3.
Revised version of wire carry clip. 4 way unlike the Caly 3's 2 way.
Like the Rescue, I can integrate features such as a whistle, or something that squeezes out the end (like a mini pry bar?!?!)
Changing to compression lock.
I was also planning on adding more texturing to the smooth surfaces of the knife.
What do you guys think? The sooner I get responses the better. This is due soon!
Thanks!
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If you could have a Delica 5
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Sounds good to me. I'd buy one! :D
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I'd say keep the front lock, it's the most ambidextrous of the locks, and it has been the standard for four generations on spyderco's "bread and butter" knife.
I don't know how feasible it would be, but the biggest new feature I would love to see would be interchangible scales and/or blades. Heck you could even design a scale set with a flip out mini pry bar, that would be extremely cool, though probably a bit pricey.
Although, I would love to see a SE hawkbill blade with blue FRN or Micarta scales :D
The wire clip is a nice touch too
I'd say keep the front lock, it's the most ambidextrous of the locks, and it has been the standard for four generations on spyderco's "bread and butter" knife.
I don't know how feasible it would be, but the biggest new feature I would love to see would be interchangible scales and/or blades. Heck you could even design a scale set with a flip out mini pry bar, that would be extremely cool, though probably a bit pricey.
Although, I would love to see a SE hawkbill blade with blue FRN or Micarta scales :D
The wire clip is a nice touch too
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ive tried and tried to think of what Spyderco might do if they ever made a new D5? the knife is basicly perfect to me.
im actually speaking about the D4 FRN i even like the fact that the blade isnt flat ground and the FRN directional grip is insane.
i do agree with you that a wire clip would be cool, so it rides lower in the pocket
im actually speaking about the D4 FRN i even like the fact that the blade isnt flat ground and the FRN directional grip is insane.
i do agree with you that a wire clip would be cool, so it rides lower in the pocket
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I am definitely keeping FRN. THis is what makes the knife cheaper and I also love the low weight and high grip.
Right now I've made the overall profile of the knife more angular. It makes it more masculine.
I've added a compression lock and extra jimping.
Pins have been replaced in better locations and instead of the current logo in the FRN I've just got a larger "Spydie".
The Prybar is angled so it can also be used as a window punch and it comes out via squeezing the blade when in the closed position.
I'm toying with the idea of a magnetically assisted clip. A magnet in the end of the clip is attracted to a magnet in the scale, helping keep clip tension while still allowing easy retrieval.
With the compression lock, replacable scales/blades may be easier. Or am I wrong?
Right now I've made the overall profile of the knife more angular. It makes it more masculine.
I've added a compression lock and extra jimping.
Pins have been replaced in better locations and instead of the current logo in the FRN I've just got a larger "Spydie".
The Prybar is angled so it can also be used as a window punch and it comes out via squeezing the blade when in the closed position.
I'm toying with the idea of a magnetically assisted clip. A magnet in the end of the clip is attracted to a magnet in the scale, helping keep clip tension while still allowing easy retrieval.
With the compression lock, replacable scales/blades may be easier. Or am I wrong?
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Black G10 handle.
Delica1 blade shape
Nested linerlock a la Military.
Linerless with wire clip.
Waitaminute.... This is prolly not what you asked for :o but it's my version of a dream Delica :D
Delica1 blade shape
Nested linerlock a la Military.
Linerless with wire clip.
Waitaminute.... This is prolly not what you asked for :o but it's my version of a dream Delica :D
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Delica 3 vg-10 hollow ground blade or flat ground
clip with screw adjustable with coin again(much better in the field) or wire clip.
same frn design as delica 4 but(I know some people won't like this) no liners or screws. I never had a problem with a pinned spyderco and it's lighter.
clip with screw adjustable with coin again(much better in the field) or wire clip.
same frn design as delica 4 but(I know some people won't like this) no liners or screws. I never had a problem with a pinned spyderco and it's lighter.
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Interesting project. I think your first step is to prioritize your design goals. Mine (in order) would probably be:
Reduce cost, reduce weight, increase existing functionally... adding NEW function would fall last.
Good choice.
OTOH, I do like the idea of sacrificing part of the blade for a choil but you're beginning to turn it into a Native. (and to the hawk comment above - that would be turning it into a Harpy)
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Reduce cost, reduce weight, increase existing functionally... adding NEW function would fall last.
quattrokid73 wrote:I am definitely keeping FRN. THis is what makes the knife cheaper and I also love the low weight and high grip.
Good choice.
I'm a big fan of compression (and more - BALL) locks but I think either would add to your cost (not sure, just an impression) and, again, to me, as you mentioned, cost is one of the big benefits of both the D&E series.quattrokid73 wrote:I've added a compression lock and extra jimping.
Interesting. I think, overall you'd add a lot to the weight and cost without much general added function (for MOST).quattrokid73 wrote:The Prybar is angled so it can also be used as a window punch and it comes out via squeezing the blade when in the closed position.
I'm not a big fan of magnets in my pocket. It's why I passed on the T-Mag. I don't know that they cause any problems but I don't see any benefits being worth the risk (to credit cards, my laptop, etc)quattrokid73 wrote:I'm toying with the idea of a magnetically assisted clip. A magnet in the end of the clip is attracted to a magnet in the scale, helping keep clip tension while still allowing easy retrieval.
I kinda doubt a compression lock would make replaceable scales easier to do. I would expect you'd need liners to make the knife "integral" and the scales would then snap or screw on to them.quattrokid73 wrote:With the compression lock, replacable scales/blades may be easier. Or am I wrong?
OTOH, I do like the idea of sacrificing part of the blade for a choil but you're beginning to turn it into a Native. (and to the hawk comment above - that would be turning it into a Harpy)
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Move the kick in tight to the handle for more cutting edge. Some things that I have done include; Remove the hump where the middle finger lands. Soften/round the corners of the handle at the top and bottom on the front end and the inside edges and even the back end which is already pretty round. The handle has been sanded everywhere except on the bidirectional grips. Soften/round the edges on the boye dent. Soften the edges of the spine including the jimping and also the kick. Open up the hole to halfway resemble a comet (with soft edges). That was slow going with ZDP.
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It sounds like your design has gotten fairly complex, and truthfully, it does sound like a brand new model (New lock, new grind, added features), and besides, would a comp lock be reliable on a FRN handle? Has it been done before?
In terms of improving the "standard" spyderco in ways that the common person would see it as an improvement.
I think the only things I'd actually needin a new delica would be a slightly revised design (My hands are cramped in the current design), and maybe a design that would be easier to assemble (for those of us who just need to take it apart).
I still vote to keep the same lock, it's the lock that the non-AFI knife person knows well and is completely ambidextrous.
In terms of improving the "standard" spyderco in ways that the common person would see it as an improvement.
I think the only things I'd actually needin a new delica would be a slightly revised design (My hands are cramped in the current design), and maybe a design that would be easier to assemble (for those of us who just need to take it apart).
I still vote to keep the same lock, it's the lock that the non-AFI knife person knows well and is completely ambidextrous.
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I've got the pry bar off my priority list, but I'll still experiment with it.
Right now I'm trying to make it more comfortable and cheaper while also adding something to truly define it as a Delica 5.
I want to change blade profile to increase slicing ability while keeping it thicker for strength.
The compression lock seems to be much simpler internally than the back lock. This would make disassembly easier.
I actually think interchangeable scales would increase weight and make it less durable. For now I'll stick with a nice color assortment (possibly 4 standard colors).
I'll post sketches later this week.
Right now I'm trying to make it more comfortable and cheaper while also adding something to truly define it as a Delica 5.
I want to change blade profile to increase slicing ability while keeping it thicker for strength.
The compression lock seems to be much simpler internally than the back lock. This would make disassembly easier.
I actually think interchangeable scales would increase weight and make it less durable. For now I'll stick with a nice color assortment (possibly 4 standard colors).
I'll post sketches later this week.
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Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.
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Oh! Oh! I know this one! DIALICA! :DThe Deacon wrote:Return to the Delica III style unlined monocoque FRN handle. Replace the flat clip with a Native III style wire clip. Reduce blade thickness to 2mm and change to full flat grind. Increase pivot diameter so a second barrel bolt serves as a pivot, thus allowing 4 way clip mounting. Add 50/50 choil. Retain front lock, but ditch Boye dent.
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quattrokid73 wrote:I had my first Product Design class today and my homework is to make revisions to the Delica 4 (cool schoolwork, huh?!). I've got to submit 5 ideas by next monday. The idea is to revise the design not replace it. Therefore, it's as if I am making a Delica 5 not a whole new Spyderco knife.
My current ideas are as follows:
Thick FFG blade similar to G10 D4 and Caly 3.
Revised version of wire carry clip. 4 way unlike the Caly 3's 2 way.
Like the Rescue, I can integrate features such as a whistle, or something that squeezes out the end (like a mini pry bar?!?!)
Changing to compression lock.
I was also planning on adding more texturing to the smooth surfaces of the knife.
What do you guys think? The sooner I get responses the better. This is due soon!
Thanks!
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