Titanium Tenacious

[Ramonade]

Well, the response on the Millie club which has a buttload of members is not good. Even if 8Cr can perform, most "knife people" will snob it immediately.
And I have several 8Cr Spydercos and honestly don't appreciate it in PE. If I take my Bow River out I usually have to take it to the stones during the day. It's not a death sentence, not at all. But when you cut something that is not necessarily made to be cut with a knife and realize during the cut that you need to sharpen it already, it's a bummer

[Bob Janvier]

Well, the response on the Millie club which has a buttload of members is not good. Even if 8Cr can perform, most "knife people" will snob it immediately.
...

The debate about 8cr13Mov is endeless (same as H1-H2 for exemple) but it allows people to buy a Spyderco for a reasonable price.
I know Eric Glesser showed a Titanium/D2 version at ShotShow 2024, but for my part, I prefer 8cr13Mov over D2. It is softer, forgives hits on hard things and is easy to sharpen. In my experience with D2, it bites hard, cuts strong and keep an edge longer than 8cr13Mov. But as soon as you hit something hard (like a nail, a staple, a small rock...) it chips. Then you gotta grind your blade, take off a lot of material to straighten your edge, and cut again, chip again, grind again...
It maybe only me, but as soon as I see D2, I run away.
I remember a time, when Spyderco used AUS-8 in its Endura Delica serie, nobody was complaining about the steel (OK it was 20-25 years ago and Internet wasn't what it is today).
A lot of people seem to forget that 8cr13Mov is the chinese version of AUS-8 without the trademark name on it.

The Tenacious has a nice design and fits well in hand and this Titanium version is just beautiful.
I agree with a lot of people that it could have a better blade steel but at a higher price point.
With the Tenacious, Spyderco targets the entry level and try to keep the prices low.
They made a carbon fiber handle with 8cr version, a CPM S35VN with lightweight FRN handle etc...
In the Tenacious line, you can't have both a nice handle and a nice steel straight out of the catalog.
Afterwards, nothing stops customers from buying two versions, one with a good blade, and the other with a good handle and mixing them together.
I plan to buy the Satin/Titanium version and I'll put the combo edge S35VN blade in it.
And I'll probably put a black Spyderedge blade in the Black/Titanium version.
It will interesting to resale the FRN/8cr13Mov ones to lower the final prices of the custom versions.
(sur LeBonCoin évidement...)

[Wartstein]

Well, the response on the Millie club which has a buttload of members is not good. Even if 8Cr can perform, most "knife people" will snob it immediately.
...

The debate about 8cr13Mov is endeless (same as H1-H2 for exemple) but it allows people to buy a Spyderco for a reasonable price.
I know Eric Glesser showed a Titanium/D2 version at ShotShow 2024, but for my part, I prefer 8cr13Mov over D2. It is softer, forgives hits on hard things and is easy to sharpen. In my experience with D2, it bites hard, cuts strong and keep an edge longer than 8cr13Mov. But as soon as you hit something hard (like a nail, a staple, a small rock...) it chips. Then you gotta grind your blade, take off a lot of material to straighten your edge, and cut again, chip again, grind again...
It maybe only me, but as soon as I see D2, I run away.
I remember a time, when Spyderco used AUS-8 in its Endura Delica serie, nobody was complaining about the steel (OK it was 20-25 years ago and Internet wasn't what it is today).
A lot of people seem to forget that 8cr13Mov is the chinese version of AUS-8 without the trademark name on it.

The Tenacious has a nice design and fits well in hand and this Titanium version is just beautiful.
I agree with a lot of people that it could have a better blade steel but at a higher price point.
With the Tenacious, Spyderco targets the entry level and try to keep the prices low.
They made a carbon fiber handle with 8cr version, a CPM S35VN with lightweight FRN handle etc...
In the Tenacious line, you can't have both a nice handle and a nice steel straight out of the catalog.
Afterwards, nothing stops customers from buying two versions, one with a good blade, and the other with a good handle and mixing them together.
I plan to buy the satin Titanium version and I'll put the combo edge S35VN blade in it and will resale the blue FRN/8cr13Mov (sur LeBonCoin évidement...)

There is a lot I personally can agree with (though I think I like good D2 more than you do) - but again: Regardless of what people here might think, I am more than afraid that a majority of "the market" won´t give a 130 USD, Chinese made, 8CR folder even a second look and guess, and it just won´t sell. No matter if in comparison few people like you and me look at things differently, value more than just steel or even see the good sides of 8CR...

130 USD is not "entry level and low price" for most customers I think, especially not when made in China (again, I am not necessarily talking about me, but about what I gather from "the market").

That said: Good on you that you point out a more differentiated and more positive view on the matter!
I actually do hope that some see it like you do and the knife will still sell in the end!

[BornIn1500]

I plan to buy the Satin/Titanium version and I'll put the combo edge S35VN blade in it.
And I'll probably put a black Spyderedge blade in the Black/Titanium version.

Will the blades from the liner lock fit perfectly in the frame lock? That seems like low odds to me.

[Bob Janvier]

Will the blades from the liner lock fit perfectly in the frame lock? That seems like low odds to me.

Why would it not fit?
If Spyderco wants to keep the price as low as possible, why spend money on research and development to change the shape of the blade for half a milimeter when you have just spent money to develop the structure of the handle and you keep the blade in 8cr13Mov which is already produced in thousands of copies .
We must remember Sal's many posts on this forum where he explains that even a small change requires a lot of work and time to test to make sure everything works well.
The machines are already set up to make these blades.
Why make new settings for a series and revert to previous settings for the normal series? I think from an industrial point of view, it's a waste of time and money.
But maybe I'm wrong...

[CDEP]

I agree with Bob's take on 8Cr. I like it in pocket when I'm not sure what I may encounter, like today, when I'm doing some handy manly work at a friend's condo and brought my Tenacious LW. Most days at home I'd pocket the M4 version, because I can easily grab another steel if I need to.

I also understand Warnstein's concern, but I think that this new Ti version is not primarily targeted for those of us who obsess on supersteels. This is a model for those who don't want to think about their steel and want to be able to sharpen and maintain their blade without paying more for a sharpener than they paid for their knife. This gives the presumably significant market for the 8Cr Tenacious a chance to pocket a sexier version of a knife they love, at a price that is, frankly, quite reasonable for anno Ti and RIL.

The Tenacious is a flagship model. We've gotten it in S35VN and M4, and now a Ti R.I.L., so I suspect the spreadsheets over at Spyderco World Domination HQ indicate that this new version is a good bet.

I have 217 Spydies, in 36 steels, love my Cruwear and Magnacut, M4, Rex45, XHP etc., but I will snap these up for sure. It's an incredible design, and deserves all the love it is getting.

For those thinking that a costlier steel would sell better I'd point you to the Polestar/Alcyone, one of the best designs Sal ever did (IMHO), yet the BD1 steel moved it into a price range that appears to have significantly dampened sales (per Sal in previous threads).

Regardless of one's take, we all should be hoping for this variant to be a success. I know I am.

[Wartstein]

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Regardless of one's take, we all should be hoping for this variant to be a success. I know I am.

This indeed and I hope my "fears" concerning sales will turn out to be wrong!

Still: My favorite Tenacious version will clearly remain the blue S35VN lightweight.
Had it in PE, should have gotten it in comboedge, and would love to see it in full SE (the 8CR linerlock versions offer just that).
Great knife, and at least my example came with perfect fit and finish too.

[CDEP]

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Regardless of one's take, we all should be hoping for this variant to be a success. I know I am.

This indeed and I hope my "fears" concerning sales will turn out to be wrong!

Still: My favorite Tenacious version will clearly remain the blue S35VN lightweight.
Had it in PE, should have gotten it in comboedge, and would love to see it in full SE (the 8CR linerlock versions offer just that).
Great knife, and at least my example came with perfect fit and finish too.

I passed on the S35VN because the 8Cr LW gave me what I needed, but I could not resist the M4.

When one doesn't simply add up material costs, but factors in design and blade geometry I feel that every Tenacious variant is a bargain.

[Ramonade]

Well, the response on the Millie club which has a buttload of members is not good. Even if 8Cr can perform, most "knife people" will snob it immediately.
...

The debate about 8cr13Mov is endeless (same as H1-H2 for exemple) but it allows people to buy a Spyderco for a reasonable price.
I know Eric Glesser showed a Titanium/D2 version at ShotShow 2024, but for my part, I prefer 8cr13Mov over D2. It is softer, forgives hits on hard things and is easy to sharpen. In my experience with D2, it bites hard, cuts strong and keep an edge longer than 8cr13Mov. But as soon as you hit something hard (like a nail, a staple, a small rock...) it chips. Then you gotta grind your blade, take off a lot of material to straighten your edge, and cut again, chip again, grind again...
It maybe only me, but as soon as I see D2, I run away.
I remember a time, when Spyderco used AUS-8 in its Endura Delica serie, nobody was complaining about the steel (OK it was 20-25 years ago and Internet wasn't what it is today).
A lot of people seem to forget that 8cr13Mov is the chinese version of AUS-8 without the trademark name on it.

The Tenacious has a nice design and fits well in hand and this Titanium version is just beautiful.
I agree with a lot of people that it could have a better blade steel but at a higher price point.
With the Tenacious, Spyderco targets the entry level and try to keep the prices low.
They made a carbon fiber handle with 8cr version, a CPM S35VN with lightweight FRN handle etc...
In the Tenacious line, you can't have both a nice handle and a nice steel straight out of the catalog.
Afterwards, nothing stops customers from buying two versions, one with a good blade, and the other with a good handle and mixing them together.
I plan to buy the Satin/Titanium version and I'll put the combo edge S35VN blade in it.
And I'll probably put a black Spyderedge blade in the Black/Titanium version.
It will interesting to resale the FRN/8cr13Mov ones to lower the final prices of the custom versions.
(sur LeBonCoin évidement...)

I'm more interested in edge stability and my experience with 8Cr in PE (SE too but in a lesser extent since only the peaks are affected) it rolls very easily. When it comes to D2, I've had so many different blades that felt like as many different steels ! So I tend to run from it too, more because of the inconsistencies .

I have a spare S35VN, and the Tenacious M4 (already planning to make some custom CF scales for the latter). I thought about buying it to simply swap in the S35VN but the total cost makes me think again sitll.

On the other hand, I know a lot of people that just need a knife, don't know Spyderco more than that and end up buying a Tenacious (G10 or LW) and it's a crazy upgrade compared to their previous knives. Such an offering might make them directly buy the one with a titanium handle, just cause this answers their needs exactly.

Spyderco addicts / Steels morons like me are clearly not the intended ELU ! Even if my kind will certainly end up buying this just for the handle one day or another

[ykspydiefan]

Lots of good angles on this one. The Tenacious was my first Spydie and a gift from a friend so it is dear to me and I have come to highly regard the design. I sure hope this one sells well.

In terms of premiums, the Ti Tenacious in 8cr costs about $30 more versus buying a stock Tenacious and Flytanium scales and doing a scale swap yourself. Personally, I have never scale swapped and do not really want to take it on. Partly due to sausage fingers, partly poor eyes, partly good old fashion fear of wrecking something.

Anyway, I think $30 is cheep for a person who would like Ti but does not want to do the work. Much like the person who wants a knife but does not want a sharpening hobby. Those guys are out there but I do not think they are posting up here much.

I hope the sales will show there are many Spyderco fans who want a nice and easy useable knife.

[aicolainen]

On paper this might be the best idea ever.
It's a long running joke in the knife community that a lot of knife owners wouldn't notice if their blade steels were somehow changed from M390 or whatever is the hot flavour of the week, to something like 8Cr. And I think there is a trace of truth in this. To some, knives has become jewellery and they hardly ever cut anything and probably never sharpened or disassemble their knives.

So in a way it really does make sense to make good looking knives that can be bought without paying a premium for a super steel that the owner will never take advantage of anyways.
But then again, I think the appeal to these guys isn't just the good looks, so without the bragging rights of high price tags, super steels and ultra low availability I'm not sure this knife can succeed, despite the fact that in a rational world it actually should.

[kennethsime]

Definitely agree that the 8cr was a miss, but I hope that it does well for Spyderco. If the Resilience gets this treatment, I hope they bump it up to S35VN.

I wonder if a blade swap might be possible?

[Buddafucco]

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[Buddafucco]

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[Buddafucco]

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[ugaarguy]

I somewhat impulse purchased one of these Sunday through the SFO because I needed a second knife to hit the free shipping minimum. Here are some pics so y'all can see a full production model:

The titanium scales and steel hardware are flawless. The blade has some of the nicest jimping I've seen on any Spyderco. The only flaw is that the blade not sharpened for about 4mm forward of the ricasso, so it loses about 3 mm of sharpened edge compared to almost all of my other Spydercos. Even my UpTern is sharpened to within 1mm of the ricasso. The only other let down is the 8Cr13MoV steel itself. I would have gladly paid more to get even BD1N (already in use on the Polestar and Alcyone), but really something like S30V or S35VN would be appropriate for how nice this knife is.

[Wartstein]

.... The only flaw is that the blade not sharpened for about 4mm forward of the ricasso, so it loses about 3 mm of sharpened edge compared to almost all of my other Spydercos. Even my UpTern is sharpened to within 1mm of the ricasso. The only other let down is the 8Cr13MoV steel itself. I would have gladly paid more to get even BD1N (already in use on the Polestar and Alcyone), but really something like S30V or S35VN would be appropriate for how nice this knife is.

Thanks for posting your impressions and the pics!

I hope that long, unsharpened section is just by accident and not an actual design feature? (Though of course one could always sharpen that part diy).
Or could it be done like that to prevent the fingers from getting hit by the sharp edge when closing the knife carelessly? (So in (just!) that regard kind of a cqi?)

Yes, both BD1N or S35VN would have been more appropriate for this very nice model.. not necessarily for me personally (though I clearly prefer both over 8CR myself) but I am still afraid concerning the response of "the market"...

[ugaarguy]

Thanks for posting your impressions and the pics!

I hope that long, unsharpened section is just by accident and not an actual design feature? (Though of course one could always sharpen that part diy).
Or could it be done like that to prevent the fingers from getting hit by the sharp edge when closing the knife carelessly? (So in (just!) that regard kind of a cqi?)

Yes, both BD1N or S35VN would have been more appropriate for this very nice model.. not necessarily for me personally (though I clearly prefer both over 8CR myself) but I am still afraid concerning the response of "the market"...

I'm glad I was able to get some pics out for others to see.

If you look at the official pics it's sharpened all the way back. My guess is that the blades are hand sharpened on a belt grinder after they're in the handles (so the worker has something to hold onto), and the workers are rightly nervous to get too close and nick those expensive handles. If I'm correct, then they need a jig to hold the blades for sharpening.

As far as the blade steel, I'm okay with it, but I also worry about the market. It's kind of like a Lexus RX350 F Sport. It looks great, and it has handling refinements, but it's the same 277 hp 4 cylinder engine as the other RX350 models. It's all I'd reasonably need for normal driving. But it just doesn't do it. Even the RX500h F Sport with 366 hp (BD1N) doesn't do it. No, I want the 472 hp 5.0 liter V8 (S35VN) from the RC F and IS 500 F Sport.

[Bob Janvier]

Hi,
For those who ask,
YES you can swap the blade from another version (CPM S35VN, M4)
Found that on Spyderco's Group on Facebook

[ugaarguy]

Hi,
For those who ask,
YES you can swap the blade from another version (CPM S35VN, M4)
Found that on Spyderco's Group on Facebook

The problem with that is you're spending $120 MAP for the plastic handle S35VN Tenacious, and $127.50 MAP for the 8Cr13 titanium RIL Tenacious to get the S35VN blade (that the Ti RIL should have had in the first place). You then have a leftover blue handle 8Cr13 blade Tenacious LW franken-knife that isn't worth much. That $247.50 combined MAP is also pushing way too close to the $303 MAP of the SpydieChef.