Titanium Tenacious

[ykspydiefan]

I thought the Titanium Tenacious was coming out in D2. In the reveal the steel reads, 8cr13mov.

I have no D2 in my collection, other than 1 junk D2, and I was hoping to get some D2 that I can believe in. Sure, I like the Spyderco treatment of 8cr13mov so I am not disappointed.

Anyone else think the new Tenacious blue/black looks snappy?

[CDEP]

Oh, I'm grabbing them for sure.

And I think keeping them in 8Cr was a genius move. Now people can get one of Sal's most iconic designs in a sexy Ti/RIL configuration without investing in sharpening systems that cost more than the knife. Anyone can maintain 8Cr, and it performs better than most of us ever need.

[Fireman]

Titanium and 8Cr are a much better combo over D2 Ti imho

[Coastal]

I love Ti and I love the Tenacious. I'm okay with, but not excited about, 8Cr. I'm not wild about blue ano, but I have to admit it looks good with black.

How durable is the budget black oxide coating?

Price looks to be about $125-130, which is reasonable IMO.

[fixall]

Looks great, but it’s my personal opinion that releasing the knife with 8cr is a mistake. I think it would be much more enticing with s30v or s35vn.

I just don’t know that Spyderco can release it at a low enough price for people to find the steel acceptable.

I guess we’ll see. I hope I’m wrong.

[Mushroom]

I have a feeling this is only one of two new Titanium Tenacious. We were shown two distinctly different versions of the knife after the Amsterdam meet.

There were numerous distinctions between the two models aside from color and steel but the next one will most likely have D2 steel and Ti scales with lightning strike anodizing.

[Wartstein]

Looks great, but it’s my personal opinion that releasing the knife with 8cr is a mistake. I think it would be much more enticing with s30v or s35vn.

I just don’t know that Spyderco can release it at a low enough price for people to find the steel acceptable.
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Pretty much what I thought and said in my post in the "Reveal" -thread.

I love the Tenacious platform - great ergos, a ton of cutting edge in a compact package and I am known for prefering linerlock and perhaps even more so frame lock over the comp.lock.

I always wish for more mid to high end liner/frame lock Spydies, and think this frame lock Tenacious is really cool.
But for a price of a hair under (uncoated) resp. a hair over (coated) 130 USD (https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP122T ... um-handles) I can already see that many want something "better" than 8CR and that steel in a 130 USD knife will probably not exactly be great for sales numbers.

Personally I am fine with Spydercos 8CR, but it´s pretty clear how the market and also the sadly influental youtube "reviewers" (... ) see this.

Actually, tbh, even I (really not that picky when it comes to steels) would think twice with 8CR, while I´d get one of those in S35VN (like the blue LW offers).
As it is, I´d rather go for a 100 USD VG10 Endura or, out of that Reveal, a PD#1 Endura sprint, priced pretty much like the RIL Tenacious.

[Wartstein]

Oh, I'm grabbing them for sure.

And I think keeping them in 8Cr was a genius move. Now people can get one of Sal's most iconic designs in a sexy Ti/RIL configuration without investing in sharpening systems that cost more than the knife. Anyone can maintain 8Cr, and it performs better than most of us ever need.

For sales it was not a "genius move" in my humble opinion, as laid out in my post above.

You are perfectly correct in that 8CR works just fine and is very easy to sharpen, but that does not change the (sad!) fact that its "reputation" is rather being an "old" and "inferior" steel, and this is hard to overcome in the general market (where many might not even try for themselves!) I guess....

I think the S35VN they used in the blue Tenacious LW would probably have been a better choice: Has more appeal for the general market, and is actually pretty easy to maintain too while definitely a lot better in edge retention (had both a S35VN and a 8CR Tenacious at the same time and so could compare directly).

I sure hope I am wrong though!!

[zhyla]

Really, really odd combo of high end handle and bottom of the barrel steel. I have no beef with 8CrMoV13 but it almost seems like Spyderco is afraid of the Tenacious competing with Golden models. The Tenacious is a good design, and there’s already an S35VN version.

[Wartstein]

Really, really odd combo of high end handle and bottom of the barrel steel. I have no beef with 8CrMoV13 but it almost seems like Spyderco is afraid of the Tenacious competing with Golden models. The Tenacious is a good design, and there’s already an S35VN version.

Interesting thought... to me the Tenacious LW indeed is kind of the "better PM2" already, at least in S35VN: Same weight, but more edge in a more compact package, thinner blade with a bit sturdier tip, some chamfering on the handle, linerlock and FRN which I prefer over comp.lock and G10....

[Manifestgtr]

I have no problem with 8cr on the new tennys

8cr has every ounce the edge retention of 52100 and it’s far more stainless (to whom it may concern). 8cr gets a bad rap because edge retention is such a hot topic in recent years…but the fact is its user friendly, incredibly easy to maintain, cheap and abundant. I like my super steels as much as the next guy but I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my 8cr knives, from the crkt pilar to the resilience…it’s alllll good.

[Paul Ardbeg]

8cr is not what the market is interested in, simply based on the perception of the general public of 8cr being cheap and soft. Btw Larrin Thomas had an interesting video about 8cr recently.

You don't need s90v on all knives, but 8cr is at the other part of the spectrum. Why not go with s30v? Spyderco has done s30v for so long and so well. It's still easy enough to sharpen for most so why not go for s30v?

[Fastidiotus]

I thought this was a completely out of touch idea when I figured it would probably be around $75 to compete with some of Ontario and other brands budget steel/titanium handle knives. I can't imagine with a price of $130 retail no one said "this isn't going to end well." The reveal had so much goodness and everything was something to be excited for but I had to double check it wasn't April 1st with this knife.

8cr13 above the $30-40 range needs to die. It would have felt much less egregious with 154cm, still arguably over priced maybe, but atleast it wouldn't have been the joke underneath every retailer posting about the new reveal.

Maybe it's not to late for Spyderco to switch up the production steel before they release this to retailers and get mercilessly raked over the coals by the knife community.

[zhyla]

I thought this was a completely out of touch idea when I figured it would probably be around $75 to compete with some of Ontario and other brands budget steel/titanium handle knives. I can't imagine with a price of $130 retail no one said "this isn't going to end well."

There was another thread where Sal hinted at this knife and people started getting really excited. I think I said there's no way this retails for less than $120. It's certainly a confusing proposition. $130 with a medium tier steel would make good sense.

I am really curious how this will turn out. On one hand, Spyderco knows how to sell knives. On the other hand, their Chinese made knives seem to have been hit or miss in terms of market success. I won't pretend to understand this model or the overall strategy, but I bet it will be a great knife if a bit peculiar.

[BornIn1500]

8cr is not what the market is interested in, simply based on the perception of the general public of 8cr being cheap and soft. Btw Larrin Thomas had an interesting video about 8cr recently.

You don't need s90v on all knives, but 8cr is at the other part of the spectrum. Why not go with s30v? Spyderco has done s30v for so long and so well. It's still easy enough to sharpen for most so why not go for s30v?

s30v is an American steel that would need to be shipped to China for that. Lets look at the current line-up. The FRN Tenacious in 8cr is $56.25. The FRN Tenacious in s35vn is $120. That's an increase of $63.75 for the steel and there's no reason to think s30v would be different than s35vn in terms of price for this. Now, the current price of this titanium tenacious is $127.50. Add $63.75 to that for the steel upgrade you are suggesting. That is $191.25 for your s35vn titanium tenacious...

[Paul Ardbeg]

8cr is not what the market is interested in, simply based on the perception of the general public of 8cr being cheap and soft. Btw Larrin Thomas had an interesting video about 8cr recently.

You don't need s90v on all knives, but 8cr is at the other part of the spectrum. Why not go with s30v? Spyderco has done s30v for so long and so well. It's still easy enough to sharpen for most so why not go for s30v?

s30v is an American steel that would need to be shipped to China for that. Lets look at the current line-up. The FRN Tenacious in 8cr is $56.25. The FRN Tenacious in s35vn is $120. That's an increase of $63.75 for the steel and there's no reason to think s30v would be different than s35vn in terms of price for this. Now, the current price of this titanium tenacious is $127.50. Add $63.75 to that for the steel upgrade you are suggesting. That is $191.25 for your s35vn titanium tenacious...

That is not how you price a product......Margins, expected sales and how it fits in Spyderco's strategy dictate the price....So that $191 could also be $166. Anyway, we will see how interested the public is in this knife.

[Flash]

Spyderco what were you thinking putting 8CR on this knife??? don’t need a crystal ball to see this is going to be absolute sales disaster.

Should’ve gone for S35VN or M4 … even wood like on the woodkit dragonfly anything but the dreaded 8CRMov13crlgbtq+ Spyderco, please don’t do it!

[Fastidiotus]

Should’ve gone for S35VN or M4 … even wood like on the woodkit dragonfly

Haha at least with a nice walnut burl or purple heart blade you could hang it on a wall in a shadow box and appreciate it as art.

Even CPM D2 would have had me thinking $130 was a fair price and I should pick one up and give the Tenacious another chance. I really love the Tenacious design and ergos, a more premium constructed version would have been welcomed by me.

[Wartstein]

I have no problem with 8cr on the new tennys

8cr has every ounce the edge retention of 52100 and it’s far more stainless (to whom it may concern). 8cr gets a bad rap because edge retention is such a hot topic in recent years…but the fact is its user friendly, incredibly easy to maintain, cheap and abundant. I like my super steels as much as the next guy but I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my 8cr knives, from the crkt pilar to the resilience…it’s alllll good.

Yes, Spydercos 8CR can be a good and userfriendly choice for some or even many people indeed.

But as others and I have said here already:
That does not change the fact (?) that most likely "the general market" will not really go for a Chinese made 8CR folder in the 130 USD price range, regardless if they have real, practical reasons or even any personal experience or not.

So I am afraid this knife just won´t sell, and I´d actually really WANT it to sell well, cause I am always advocating for more mid to high end Spyderco liner- and frame locks, generally and especially instead of comp.lock models...

Of course I am not claiming to know the knife market even remotely as well as Spyderco does, I really don´t.
But that said in my layman view it just seems like the 8CR RIL Tenacious is almost set up for failing on the market, completely independently of what I personally might think of 8CR...

[apollo]

I have no problem with 8cr on the new tennys

8cr has every ounce the edge retention of 52100 and it’s far more stainless (to whom it may concern). 8cr gets a bad rap because edge retention is such a hot topic in recent years…but the fact is its user friendly, incredibly easy to maintain, cheap and abundant. I like my super steels as much as the next guy but I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my 8cr knives, from the crkt pilar to the resilience…it’s alllll good.

Yes, Spydercos 8CR can be a good and userfriendly choice for some or even many people indeed.

But as others and I have said here already:
That does not change the fact (?) that most likely "the general market" will not really go for a Chinese made 8CR folder in the 130 USD price range, regardless if they have real, practical reasons or even any personal experience or not.

So I am afraid this knife just won´t sell, and I´d actually really WANT it to sell well, cause I am always advocating for more mid to high end Spyderco liner- and frame locks, generally and especially instead of comp.lock models...

Of course I am not claiming to know the knife market even remotely as well as Spyderco does, I really don´t.
But that said in my layman view it just seems like the 8CR RIL Tenacious is almost set up for failing on the market, completely independently of what I personally might think of 8CR...

I also think the same. Competition in hard around that budget. And in the US it maybe sell better then overseas. For example i was very interested in the normal brown d2 tenacious when it was announced.
But looking at its price here in my area i can get a Manix 2 in s30v for 5 euro more then that one and if i spend 50 more i even have a handfull off taichung models to choose from.
So i fear for these TI tenaciouses honestly.