Military 2 Discussion (Merged)

[prndltech]

I am a right hand tip down kind of guy and I think the choil on the original Military is the best one on any Spydie. I like the comp lock but don’t think it is the greatest lock ever. Full liners add nothing for me personally. I see nothing about this knife that is an improvement. I’ll buy it and try it though.

There were talks about it having a stop lock but that didn’t happen. In the end they made a logical business decision which is to ride the coat tales of the wildly popular Para2. It is what it is.

This thread is a disaster, I want ten minutes of my life back. Also, I’m gonna call it the Para4.

Get out of my head!

[kennethsime]

All I know is that if they make a REX 45 Millie 2 I'll be all over that, since I was not paying attention to such things when the first Rexy Millie sprint was done.

Ditto. Even better, K390, but I'd take Rex 45 no problem.

[Liquid Cobra]

I am a right hand tip down kind of guy and I think the choil on the original Military is the best one on any Spydie. I like the comp lock but don’t think it is the greatest lock ever. Full liners add nothing for me personally. I see nothing about this knife that is an improvement. I’ll buy it and try it though.

There were talks about it having a stop lock but that didn’t happen. In the end they made a logical business decision which is to ride the coat tales of the wildly popular Para2. It is what it is.

This thread is a disaster, I want ten minutes of my life back. Also, I’m gonna call it the Para4.

The fact that I can carry a military tip up is improvement enough for me. The compression lock is a plus too.

I’d say this is a step in the right direction for Spyderco and the market.

[Wartstein]

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There were talks about it having a stop lock but that didn’t happen. In the end they made a logical business decision which is to ride the coat tales of the wildly popular Para2. It is what it is.

This thread is a disaster, I want ten minutes of my life back. Also, I’m gonna call it the Para4.

The fact that I can carry a military tip up is improvement enough for me. The compression lock is a plus too.

I’d say this is a step in the right direction for Spyderco and the market.

I have to agree - in the broader picture this most likely IS a "step in the right direction for Spyderco and the market" - "riding the coat tales of the wildly popular PM2 " (as Darby puts it above) will help sales, and that´s perfectly fine and a wise decision for a company of course! Just as simple as in: We HAVE a knife now that is pretty close to a larger PM2 or even larger Para 3, (choil, lock, clip,ergos, liners...) - people like those models, and so the Millie 2 will most likely (and hopefully of course) sell well.

The for me generally interesting aspect here though (just interesting, along the lines of my personal opinion, nothing I want to argue about, as long as any sensible opinion is respected): How much is this kind of a "feed back loop"? IF for example "normal", rather unexperienced customers "get told" over and over that a comp.lock necessarily is an improvement over a linerlock, they´ll often believe this, without really having tried for themselves. If on the other hand the undeniable pros of a (good) linerlock would be marketed, this might be a different story

Anyway... it is how it is... and actually, though I´ll certainly still get another Millie 1, the Stretch 2 XL has diminished my actual NEED for it a lot.

[prndltech]

Anyway... it is how it is... and actually, though I´ll certainly still get another Millie 1, the Stretch 2 XL has diminished my actual NEED for it a lot.

Sitting here with both in front of me… you still NEED a military. There is no substitute!

[Wartstein]

Anyway... it is how it is... and actually, though I´ll certainly still get another Millie 1, the Stretch 2 XL has diminished my actual NEED for it a lot.

Sitting here with both in front of me… you still NEED a military. There is no substitute!

I know, my friend....

I miss mine a lot. I am not in a hurry though.
And the good thing: While an "exciting" steel and version would be nice of course, black handle and S30V are perfectly fine with me too.

[Drubieg]

Purchasing the Military 2 for myself, will be like gettting the new model of a tried and true, reliable model of car that they changed the features and body style of. People always say don’t buy those because they’re untested and you don’t know what recalls they may have. But they are new and exciting and you wanna be the first to test it out, just so people can admire that you got one.

There’s something reassuring tho about having a model that has seen many years and improvements, and it’s reputation for being great is a solid and undeniable fact. I feel that way about the military, and along the same lines I feel like that about say the heat treat of s30v vs s45vn….

And yet another solid fact is that Spyderco will refine and try to improve upon anything that they put out for people. They have that kind of care, skill, and dignity. And that’s reassuring too

[horzuff]

Still hoping that, despite all the noise, someone notices the questions about a release date and answers those

Nothing has been announced yet. It will probably appear in an upcoming Reveal catalog before we know anything. If we’re lucky it will be in the next one. Products in Reveal catalogs are generally intended to be available for purchase within 90-120 days after the Reveal catalog is released. It’s not always perfect and sometimes there are delays but it’s usually pretty accurate.

Ohh, so pretty slim chances for a fall release then (maybe right before christmas and winter... xD)

[kennethsime]

Well, I’m absolutely ecstatic for the release of the Military 2.

I’m not sure that I’ll pick up a base model, although I am stoked to see it under $200. If anyone drops a K390, 15V, Cruwear, or M4 model soon it will be an immediate buy.

[Wartstein]

....although I am stoked to see it under $200.....

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly happy for all who prefer the "2" over the "1" / original Millie, but I still wonder why the former is clearly less expensive?
One can only speculate:

- Is it less cost intensive to make a comp lock than the great, precise linerlock of the Millie?
I actually can't imagine that.

- Do they expect the Millie 2 to sell in much higher numbers and that because of that they can already lower the price?
Could be.

- Do they want to help the Millie 2 to have a good and succesfull start and motivate buyers by making it cheaper than the "1"? So marketing reasons?

- Do they perhaps think about letting the Millie 1 fade out in the long or medium run and only produce the "2" anymore and this is a first step towards this (lower price = better sales numbers for the "2"?) ?
Would be really sad for me personally, but perhaps make sense for Spyderco economically. And usually a "1" and a "2" of a certain model are not both in production alongside, right?

- Or does the "2" have a more "pm2-ish" price since for some (including me) it really is more of a "PM2 XL" / "Para 4"? (NO Intention to actually discuss this point anymore, I think that horse is beaten to death already - meant just as a thought that they want to place the Millie 2 more in the PM2 line marketing wise, cause it objectively has more PM features than the "1").

[Fireman]

Millie 2 will be a hit! Let’s just call it what it is, a PM2XL. I hope to see a salt version/LC200N/Magna Cut, a tanto version and a high edge retention K390/Rex45/15V

[Wartstein]

Millie 2 will be a hit! Let’s just call it what it is, a PM2XL. I hope to see a salt version/LC200N/Magna Cut, a tanto version and a high edge retention K390/Rex45/15V

In my (subjective!) opinion it is,as far as I can tell without having handled one ..

And to call it like that in my (again subjective and humble) opinion would have helped the Millie 1 and its great, proven features to remain popular and in the line up.

But as said: It is what it is, this has been argued over enough and the Millie 2 is certainly a great model too and hopefully WILL be a hit!!

[aicolainen]

....although I am stoked to see it under $200.....

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly happy for all who prefer the "2" over the "1" / original Millie, but I still wonder why the former is clearly less expensive?
One can only speculate:

- Is it less cost intensive to make a comp lock than the great, precise linerlock of the Millie?
I actually can't imagine that.

- Do they expect the Millie 2 to sell in much higher numbers and that because of that they can already lower the price?
Could be.

- Do they want to help the Millie 2 to have a good and succesfull start and motivate buyers by making it cheaper than the "1"? So marketing reasons?

- Do they perhaps think about letting the Millie 1 fade out in the long or medium run and only produce the "2" anymore and this is a first step towards this (lower price = better sales numbers for the "2"?) ?
Would be really sad for me personally, but perhaps make sense for Spyderco economically. And usually a "1" and a "2" of a certain model are not both in production alongside, right?

- Or does the "2" have a more "pm2-ish" price since for some (including me) it really is more of a "PM2 XL" / "Para 4"? (NO Intention to actually discuss this point anymore, I think that horse is beaten to death already - meant just as a thought that they want to place the Millie 2 more in the PM2 line marketing wise, cause it objectively has more PM features than the "1").

Might be a combination of those, but personally I lean towards thinking marketing or rather market penetration is a big one. The Millie (or M1) is a mature knife with a settled customer base. Pricing won’t affect sales numbers very much.
The M2 is very much a new knife, with a large(er) potential customer base. But it’s also a large knife, that might be easily dismissed by those who are just curious to try one, if it’s to expensive. I dunno, just a guess.

[Wartstein]

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Might be a combination of those, but personally I lean towards thinking marketing or rather market penetration is a big one....

Makes perfect sense and would most likely a wise approach by Spyderco!

Anyway and as said: Though I fear a bit for the future of the M1, of course I do wish the M2 to become a great success!

[Ramonade]

If it's around 230€ in Europe I'll definitely pick a base model !
I like S30V for working knives. K390 is better but I'm no way near patient enough to wait for such a variation

[kennethsime]

I’m pretty sure that Eric touched on the price point in his interview with Knife Center at Blade Show or Shot Show last year. The manufacturing process is a bit simpler, and I think the linered construction is the chief culprit in reducing the price.

[Doc Dan]

I am glad the Millie 2 is in the new Reveal. This move to the Comp Lock is the right one for me, if I can't get a back lock. It is a strong lock, I think, which is unlike the liner lock. I never trust liner locks for hard use, ever. The Comp Lock has the advantage of being easy to clean and it can be operated safely with one hand.

[Ferruginous]

I'm not the biggest fan of the compression lock, or the novelty-sized lanyard tube dictating the pocket clip location of the P3/P2/now Military 2. That said, I think I might like a more fidget-friendly pocket-sword, and the sharper choil interests me. What would push me over the edge (to try the Military 2) is if they make it in S45VN or Magnacut.

Since this is now basically a Para 2 XL, any chance at S45VN? I really enjoyed it on my Para 3.

[Fireman]

Who would go Gaga for a Tanto Millie 2?

[TCX3]

Who would go Gaga for a Tanto Millie 2?

I would. I really hope that happens.