matriarch 2 salt

[kerrcobra]

I'd buy one. I'd rather have a waved lil matriarch in SE H1 though, but I'd buy a pair of each regardless.

[cabfrank]

I really hope it happens. Maybe it would make sense as a Sprint. I'd still prefer no wave though.

[levs18]

In for a waved h1 matriarch for sure!

[Bill1170]

zrowsn1s has been posting his new matriarch and made me think of this thread again. i thought i'd break out the aed and shock it back to life.

reasons to salt the matriarch:
1. h1 is superior to vg10 in spyderedge.
2. h1 has extreme toughness that would benefit the matriarch design, especially at the fragile tip.
3. for the saltier among us, h1 would save the knife we'd want on us every day, and in every situation, from extra maintenance that comes from potential corrosion issues.
4. pacific salt handles, h1 steel, the matriarch stamp (or whatever they use to cut the blades), ticn, and the ability to grind a spyderedge matriarch all already reside in the same factory. literally every piece of the puzzle is already under a single roof just waiting to be realized.
5. h1 would add a capability to this knife that would make it more desirable and increase sales for the model.
6. i would happily buy a few.

Sorry to be off topic, but just throwing it out there, the blades are cut using a wire EDM.

Also, I’ve often wondered how many sources they use for their knife parts in other countries. For example, is a TiCN coated Matriarch made entirely in the same facility, or does Spyderco work with multiple different manufacturers in Japan to source different needs? Does the manufacturer they use to cut and grind their blades also do the TiCN coating and injection molding for the handles? I know this is probably a question for Sal but it’s just something I’ve always been curious about.

On topic, I would probably prefer a Lil Matriarch Salt over a full size Matriarch Salt.

That’s interesting about the wire EDM. I was under the impression that an industrial laser was used to blank out Spyderco’s blades in Golden. Seems wire EDM would cost more for no real advantage in that application.

[vivi]

I've long considered a matriarch 2 waved, and a run in h1 would push me over the edge. I'd buy a couple.

[max808]

reasons to salt the matriarch:
1. h1 is superior to vg10 in spyderedge.
2. h1 has extreme toughness that would benefit the matriarch design, especially at the fragile tip.
3. for the saltier among us, h1 would save the knife we'd want on us every day, and in every situation, from extra maintenance that comes from potential corrosion issues.
4. pacific salt handles, h1 steel, the matriarch stamp (or whatever they use to cut the blades), ticn, and the ability to grind a spyderedge matriarch all already reside in the same factory. literally every piece of the puzzle is already under a single roof just waiting to be realized.
5. h1 would add a capability to this knife that would make it more desirable and increase sales for the model.
6. i would happily buy a few.

it's been a few months, so i figured i'd bring this up again. i'm guessing spyderco's silence on the idea means it'll never happen, but it makes so much sense to me that i can't stop thinking about it. i really want a black matriarch ii salt with ticn and a wave. and if there was a lil matriarch salt with the same configuration, i'd definitely buy both.

i know spyderco listens to us. that's why i keep bringing this up. i hope they'll consider it.

In the recent Superhawk thread Sal said that making a salty version of a design that has liners is much more complicated than if it were a linerless model. Unfortunately he didn't go into any specifics but that's the only reason I can think of, not being an engineer and all. That said I would be all over a Matriarch in H-1 to keep the twins company or even displace my off hand Tasman. Add a salty Civilian to that list if only it had a larger spydiehole...

[ladybug93]

reasons to salt the matriarch:
1. h1 is superior to vg10 in spyderedge.
2. h1 has extreme toughness that would benefit the matriarch design, especially at the fragile tip.
3. for the saltier among us, h1 would save the knife we'd want on us every day, and in every situation, from extra maintenance that comes from potential corrosion issues.
4. pacific salt handles, h1 steel, the matriarch stamp (or whatever they use to cut the blades), ticn, and the ability to grind a spyderedge matriarch all already reside in the same factory. literally every piece of the puzzle is already under a single roof just waiting to be realized.
5. h1 would add a capability to this knife that would make it more desirable and increase sales for the model.
6. i would happily buy a few.

it's been a few months, so i figured i'd bring this up again. i'm guessing spyderco's silence on the idea means it'll never happen, but it makes so much sense to me that i can't stop thinking about it. i really want a black matriarch ii salt with ticn and a wave. and if there was a lil matriarch salt with the same configuration, i'd definitely buy both.

i know spyderco listens to us. that's why i keep bringing this up. i hope they'll consider it.

In the recent Superhawk thread Sal said that making a salty version of a design that has liners is much more complicated than if it were a linerless model. Unfortunately he didn't go into any specifics but that's the only reason I can think of, not being an engineer and all. That said I would be all over a Matriarch in H-1 to keep the twins company or even displace my off hand Tasman. Add a salty Civilian to that list if only it had a larger spydiehole...

i think that would be true for most models because it requires a completely new mold for the scales. in this case though, the matriarch shares the same handle as the endura, so it would stand to reason that a h1 matriarch blade would work with a pacific salt handle. it seems to me that all the pieces are already in place for this to become a reality.

[max808]

reasons to salt the matriarch:
1. h1 is superior to vg10 in spyderedge.
2. h1 has extreme toughness that would benefit the matriarch design, especially at the fragile tip.
3. for the saltier among us, h1 would save the knife we'd want on us every day, and in every situation, from extra maintenance that comes from potential corrosion issues.
4. pacific salt handles, h1 steel, the matriarch stamp (or whatever they use to cut the blades), ticn, and the ability to grind a spyderedge matriarch all already reside in the same factory. literally every piece of the puzzle is already under a single roof just waiting to be realized.
5. h1 would add a capability to this knife that would make it more desirable and increase sales for the model.
6. i would happily buy a few.

it's been a few months, so i figured i'd bring this up again. i'm guessing spyderco's silence on the idea means it'll never happen, but it makes so much sense to me that i can't stop thinking about it. i really want a black matriarch ii salt with ticn and a wave. and if there was a lil matriarch salt with the same configuration, i'd definitely buy both.

i know spyderco listens to us. that's why i keep bringing this up. i hope they'll consider it.

In the recent Superhawk thread Sal said that making a salty version of a design that has liners is much more complicated than if it were a linerless model. Unfortunately he didn't go into any specifics but that's the only reason I can think of, not being an engineer and all. That said I would be all over a Matriarch in H-1 to keep the twins company or even displace my off hand Tasman. Add a salty Civilian to that list if only it had a larger spydiehole...

i think that would be true for most models because it requires a completely new mold for the scales. in this case though, the matriarch shares the same handle as the endura, so it would stand to reason that a h1 matriarch blade would work with a pacific salt handle. it seems to me that all the pieces are already in place for this to become a reality.

Let's hope you're right Sir and thank you for the clarification.

[defenestrate]

I'd love one or two of these. I've bought and loved 2 SE waved Matriarch 2s so far.

[Estrella]

I found this thread looking for this exact knife, any chance this can actually happen!? I would definately buy a couple.

[Michael Janich]

Dear Estrella:

Welcome to the Spyderco Forum.

Stay safe,

Mike

[Coastal]

Spyderco, please, please, please, make a Matriarch 2 Salt!

Personally I'd prefer non-waved, but I would happily buy a yellow one and a blacked-out one, waved or not!

The Matriarch 2 is the best gardening knife I've tried, a lot better than the Tasman Salt and byrd hawkbill, which are excellent themselves. Its blade encourages both gathering strokes and push strokes. It handles well in both the "obvious" grip, using the finger grooves as intended, and in a reach grip with the hand slid to the rear of the handle, which I've found useful when clearing vines. The Matriarch's shallow thumb ramp makes it more comfortable in (my) hand than, for example, the Pacific Salt, with it's more abrupt ramp, though it uses the same handle. I can't wait to try it for cleaning (not filletting) fish.

I'm not at all versed in using edged weapons, but a Matriarch 2 certainly looks like it would have applications in that arena. It is light and surprisingly small in the pocket. I hope the Matriarch 2 is more popular than I think it is. It's a wonderful design, and a Salt version would be even better!

[James Y]

Spyderco, please, please, please, make a Matriarch 2 Salt!

Personally I'd prefer non-waved, but I would happily buy a yellow one and a blacked-out one, waved or not!

The Matriarch 2 is the best gardening knife I've tried, a lot better than the Tasman Salt and byrd hawkbill, which are excellent themselves. Its blade encourages both gathering strokes and push strokes. It handles well in both the "obvious" grip, using the finger grooves as intended, and in a reach grip with the hand slid to the rear of the handle, which I've found useful when clearing vines. The Matriarch's shallow thumb ramp makes it more comfortable in (my) hand than, for example, the Pacific Salt, with it's more abrupt ramp, though it uses the same handle. I can't wait to try it for cleaning (not filletting) fish.

I'm not at all versed in using edged weapons, but a Matriarch 2 certainly looks like it would have applications in that arena. It is light and surprisingly small in the pocket. I hope the Matriarch 2 is more popular than I think it is. It's a wonderful design, and a Salt version would be even better!

I would love to try a Salt version of the Matriarch 2 as a gardening knife. My main gardening knife is an SE Tasman. But there are certain tasks I think a reverse S would work better at. Also simply to try something new in the yard.

Jim

[Coastal]

Spyderco, please, please, please, make a Matriarch 2 Salt!

Personally I'd prefer non-waved, but I would happily buy a yellow one and a blacked-out one, waved or not!

The Matriarch 2 is the best gardening knife I've tried, a lot better than the Tasman Salt and byrd hawkbill, which are excellent themselves. Its blade encourages both gathering strokes and push strokes. It handles well in both the "obvious" grip, using the finger grooves as intended, and in a reach grip with the hand slid to the rear of the handle, which I've found useful when clearing vines. The Matriarch's shallow thumb ramp makes it more comfortable in (my) hand than, for example, the Pacific Salt, with it's more abrupt ramp, though it uses the same handle. I can't wait to try it for cleaning (not filletting) fish.

I'm not at all versed in using edged weapons, but a Matriarch 2 certainly looks like it would have applications in that arena. It is light and surprisingly small in the pocket. I hope the Matriarch 2 is more popular than I think it is. It's a wonderful design, and a Salt version would be even better!

I would love to try a Salt version of the Matriarch 2 as a gardening knife. My main gardening knife is an SE Tasman. But there are certain tasks I think a reverse S would work better at. Also simply to try something new in the yard.

Jim

Exactly what my thoughts were, but I've come to realize that even when Spyderco fully intends to do something, exigencies of other commitments, supply-chain issues, staffing shortfalls, or just better ideas, can derail them. And I didn't even know if they had the slightest inclination to produce a Matriarch Salt, so I finally pulled the trigger on the VG-10 version. If they ever do a Salt, I'll buy one or two of those, too. But in the meantime, I have a great knife for gardening and cleaning fish!

[ladybug93]

i never even considered gardening as an application, but i stand by what i have said all along...

if you take a niche knife design and add a niche steel (like h1), you increase attraction to the model rather than making it more niche. i've come pretty close to buying the vg10 version multiple times. probably the only reason i don't have it is because it's been out of stock when i've been ready to place orders. if it was available in h1 though, i would be adding other knives onto my matriarch order instead of the other way around.

[Notsurewhy]

reasons to salt the matriarch:
1. h1 is superior to vg10 in spyderedge.
2. h1 has extreme toughness that would benefit the matriarch design, especially at the fragile tip.
3. for the saltier among us, h1 would save the knife we'd want on us every day, and in every situation, from extra maintenance that comes from potential corrosion issues.
4. pacific salt handles, h1 steel, the matriarch stamp (or whatever they use to cut the blades), ticn, and the ability to grind a spyderedge matriarch all already reside in the same factory. literally every piece of the puzzle is already under a single roof just waiting to be realized.
5. h1 would add a capability to this knife that would make it more desirable and increase sales for the model.
6. i would happily buy a few.

it's been a few months, so i figured i'd bring this up again. i'm guessing spyderco's silence on the idea means it'll never happen, but it makes so much sense to me that i can't stop thinking about it. i really want a black matriarch ii salt with ticn and a wave. and if there was a lil matriarch salt with the same configuration, i'd definitely buy both.

i know spyderco listens to us. that's why i keep bringing this up. i hope they'll consider it.

In the recent Superhawk thread Sal said that making a salty version of a design that has liners is much more complicated than if it were a linerless model. Unfortunately he didn't go into any specifics but that's the only reason I can think of, not being an engineer and all. That said I would be all over a Matriarch in H-1 to keep the twins company or even displace my off hand Tasman. Add a salty Civilian to that list if only it had a larger spydiehole...

i think that would be true for most models because it requires a completely new mold for the scales. in this case though, the matriarch shares the same handle as the endura, so it would stand to reason that a h1 matriarch blade would work with a pacific salt handle. it seems to me that all the pieces are already in place for this to become a reality.

I thought this too, but was corrected in a different thread. The salt and pac salt molds have integrated backspacers that are not compatible with the lil matriarch/matriarch tip. They would need to either do a new mold, or make a lined salt version with the existing endura/matriarch mold that they can use with the proper back spacer.

[Coastal]

I thought this too, but was corrected in a different thread. The salt and pac salt molds have integrated backspacers that are not compatible with the lil matriarch/matriarch tip. They would need to either do a new mold, or make a lined salt version with the existing endura/matriarch mold that they can use with the proper back spacer.

If true (and I have no reason to doubt it), it's a shame. Hopefully this won't doom the possibility of a Matriarch Salt. If it does, then please, Spyderco, make aftermarket Endura scales available in bright colors, so I don't lose my Matriarch while gardening, like I did 3 times last week. Bright blue and bright orange are especially good...

[Estrella]

I wonder if they could just slightly modify and redesign the Matriarch blade profile so that it did fit the existing
liner-less FRN handle.
It may be slightly less curved so to speak, but would still be a formidable knife.
Maybe just give it a new (but similar/related) name if the blade is too far from the original parameters to still call it a Matriarch. All black and TiNi coated would definately be amazing.

[ladybug93]

what we need to see is an open pacific salt 2 and an open matriarch. does anyone have one they're willing to open up and show us for comparison?

[ZrowsN1s]

The internals of the Matriarch and Pac Salt seem identical aside from on with liner and one without.

I don't want to blade swap them just to see if I can (sorry) but I'm 90% sure you could.

They look a little different in the photo because of perspective but the end of the handles where the lanyard hole is are nearly identical.