Obviously there will be things SE/PE blades excell at, but making serrations less pointy won't make the SE blade some great cardboard cutter, just like even a hair whittling 400 grit plain edge will never cut rope like a hair whittling serrated edge. But also, an extremely sharp SE blade will pushcut cardboard clean.Jazz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:52 am
That makes no sense. Cardboard sucks with serrations in a lot of cuts. A lot of things get hung up - just not as smooth as PE. They can be great, if very sharp and used right. Nothing flies through a heavy nylon belt like SE, when pulled through, not sawed. Anyway, not wanting to start an argument here. I love sharp serrations.
Those pics aren’t accurate of the two Salts. My Salt 1 has very aggressive and pointy serrations - the 2 doesn’t.
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I’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 amI carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.bbturbodad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:31 pmThanks guys!
I'm torn because I have a fairly "meaty" hand (thick fingers) so I wouldn't mind the longer handle of the Salt 2 but I find most knives with rounded (I call it pointy because starts jabbing into me by the end of the day) handles uncomfortable to carry IWB which is how I carry.
Oh and yes, the Salt 1 is still around and the sale price of $70 is what caught my attention
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Yes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!anagarika wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 amI’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 am
I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
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Personally, I prefer less aggressive serrations. Besides less snagging, I've also found that less aggressive serrations are also more stable and roll over less. To each their own.
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I find they differ, but certain models seem to have more consistent grind angles than others. Some of the older byrds actually performed better than some Spyderco models IMO. Geometry counts.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 amJazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.
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Hey Turbo, try carrying at 1:00 with the butt angled in towards the groin area. The knife basically lies on the line separating the belly from the leg. That’s the carry method I adapted for my kayak fishing. I can jump in and out and even pedal in a seated position and don’t even notice it’s there.bbturbodad wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 amYes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!anagarika wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 amI’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 am
I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
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I say get the Salt, because you will love it. You will have plenty of time to get a Salt 2 for your second one.
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Thanks for the tip. I carried 2 knives this afternoon 1 appendix, 1 @ 3 o'clock both canted and I can't believe it never occurred to me to do this before. I didn't drive today but I think that's where appendix will really shine because the bolsters of the seats in my car are what makes the 'jabbing' really noticeable/uncomfortable.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:11 pmHey Turbo, try carrying at 1:00 with the butt angled in towards the groin area. The knife basically lies on the line separating the belly from the leg. That’s the carry method I adapted for my kayak fishing. I can jump in and out and even pedal in a seated position and don’t even notice it’s there.
Who'd a thought asking Salt vs. Salt 2 would've been so productive? :D
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Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 am
Jazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.
Well, bro, who knows? You have a good point, but every pic I’ve seen of the 1 looks like mine. Here’s a couple pics of my 1 and one of my 2’s. My Salt 1 has been sharpened a fair bit, but it was pointy and very aggressive when new.
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If you look close, the pics are of the same blade here. Look at the scratch/grind pattern on the ricasso.
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Those scratches are similar but not identical. Also, look at the H in H1 on the blade. Different color.
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Interesting. I have no idea, they may have changed something with the new salt 2. I do know for a fact though that all of the Pacific salts vary to some degree. Personally I kind of prefer the less aggressive serrations for my work. What is more important to me is that they are sharpened at a low enough angle that they are easy to microbevel.Jazz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:10 pmSurfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 am
Jazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.
Well, bro, who knows? You have a good point, but every pic I’ve seen of the 1 looks like mine. Here’s a couple pics of my 1 and one of my 2’s. My Salt 1 has been sharpened a fair bit, but it was pointy and very aggressive when new.
And yes, I would agree that those are the exact same blades in those two photos.
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I would prefer the more aggressive serrations. The more aggressive they are, the more likely I am to buy a sharpmaker to make sharpening much simpler. If the serrations are not aggressive, I feel the need to do what I do currently (sharpen each serration individually), which is a tedious process. Since the sharpmaker naturally reduces the pointy-ness of the serrations, I'd like for them to start out deeper and pointier. I feel like more aggressive serrations are more effective at slicing a large rope in a single fast draw cut in an emergency situation. I also like the more robust tip of the black salt knife. You can tell it has plenty of piercing power while having a stronger tip. Also, you will lose slightly less blade length with each sharpening (whenever I get a knife I initially plan on keeping it a very long time).
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Wasn't it confirmed at some point that the wheels that grind serrations wear over time and this changes the pattern over time? I just had a second Caribbean for a couple days and the pattern on it was very different from my other one.
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When i carry IWB at 3-4 o’clock, I like them tip down. It’s lower and easier to grab & pull out, pinching with just thumb and index finger. Just to offer another variable.bbturbodad wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 amYes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!anagarika wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 amI’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 am
I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
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Tried the Salt (1) in a brick and mortar store and I didn't like the handle as much as I liked on my Delicas, so I went with the Salt 2. Now, the handle on the Salt 2 is a bit different from the Delica's but on normal use you can't even notice.
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I've been looking at the Atlantic Salt and the Pacific Salt. I really prefer a sheepsfoot blade (safer on the water), as the knife would be a rope cutter. But I also need a 4" blade for ropes 5" in diameter. Unfortunately I think this leaves me with 2 choices. Continue to use my byrd rescue 2's (I'd prefer H1 steel), or find a Jumpmaster 1 (extremely hard to find). Even if I could find an original jumpmaster I'd prefer a folder so it doesn't snag on things as easily. Basically an atlantic salt XL would be perfect for my needs. Are there any other options I'm overlooking?
I guess a sheepsfoot Caribbean is an idea, but I'm itching to try H1 and the Salt's are much less pricey. I was also looking to get a PE Caribbean in the future so that deters me from getting a SE model.
Edit: you know... The Pac Salt's tip isn't THAT pointy I guess. And I could always modify it easily if I ever cared to. That may be the answer.
I guess a sheepsfoot Caribbean is an idea, but I'm itching to try H1 and the Salt's are much less pricey. I was also looking to get a PE Caribbean in the future so that deters me from getting a SE model.
Edit: you know... The Pac Salt's tip isn't THAT pointy I guess. And I could always modify it easily if I ever cared to. That may be the answer.
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Thanks! That is pricey though, haha.
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Pricey, yes. Seems perfect for your kind of work, though. You probably wouldn’t need another before you retire...
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