Tame my ego? Lol, this site is glorious. All I did was reference what I've seen in cut tests, and you're telling me that knife manufacturers opinions completely negate any and all data. I simply haven't seen many models from any companies where they push s35vn to high hardness. I was hoping you'd show me a cut test or something, but instead you just call me a nobody. But I'll try not to be so egotistical.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:17 pmFirst S35VN is hardly new.
Second tame your ego.
Ask yourself even as I would who am I to Debate Sal or Eric?
Who am I to debate Chris Reeve?
You are a nobody got it?
I am a nobody got it?
These are industry leaders accomplished people not just consumers please try to show a little humility and respect would you?
Jumping down a rabbit hole after positing a position is called a straw man argument in light of the current discussion of specific steels. IE S30V and S35VN please do try to stay on track.
Thank you very much.
Smiles, yes you are a nobody it is okay, so am I and yes Chris Reeve is your superior in the knife industry even as he is mine.Pelagic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:02 pmTame my ego? Lol, this site is glorious. All I did was reference what I've seen in cut tests, and you're telling me that knife manufacturers opinions completely negate any and all data. I simply haven't seen many models from any companies where they push s35vn to high hardness. I was hoping you'd show me a cut test or something, but instead you just call me a nobody. But I'll try not to be so egotistical.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:17 pmFirst S35VN is hardly new.
Second tame your ego.
Ask yourself even as I would who am I to Debate Sal or Eric?
Who am I to debate Chris Reeve?
You are a nobody got it?
I am a nobody got it?
These are industry leaders accomplished people not just consumers please try to show a little humility and respect would you?
Jumping down a rabbit hole after positing a position is called a straw man argument in light of the current discussion of specific steels. IE S30V and S35VN please do try to stay on track.
Thank you very much.
Lol, sorry it was so uneventful. What's your opinion on the matter? Debates over "which steel is better" between 2 of the most similar steels in the cutlery world seem borderline useless imo, especially considering production heat treats.
First of all, I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off me a bit. I'm not trying to stir up anything like you. I was giving you an opportunity to say something on topic.
Short version: yup. That’s about the size of it.Pelagic wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:20 amFirst of all, I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off me a bit. I'm not trying to stir up anything like you. I was giving you an opportunity to say something on topic.
Secondly, I've used both steels in several different models from several different companies. I don't really notice a difference in use aside from buck's s30v performing very well consistently, along with certain spyderco models. Cut tests are not conclusive proof of anything, but Pete's cut tests on Cedric & Ada outdoors show s30v outperforming s35vn, and super steel Steve's testing shows them to be about equal. I've seen tests where s35vn wins as well. What I DON'T see is (aside from Buck's s30v and random other models that end up having a much higher HRC than average) one consistently overshadowing the other by a significant margin. The whole point to me is that when it comes to production heat treats, aside from the occasional outlier, the difference is negligible.
Okay laying off.Pelagic wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:20 amFirst of all, I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off me a bit. I'm not trying to stir up anything like you. I was giving you an opportunity to say something on topic.
Secondly, I've used both steels in several different models from several different companies. I don't really notice a difference in use aside from buck's s30v performing very well consistently, along with certain spyderco models. Cut tests are not conclusive proof of anything, but Pete's cut tests on Cedric & Ada outdoors show s30v outperforming s35vn, and super steel Steve's testing shows them to be about equal. I've seen tests where s35vn wins as well. What I DON'T see is (aside from Buck's s30v and random other models that end up having a much higher HRC than average) one consistently overshadowing the other by a significant margin. The whole point to me is that when it comes to production heat treats, aside from the occasional outlier, the difference is negligible.
Your welcome. Any questions, please ask. I try to be as transparent as I can.
Thank you for everything you do.jcoolG19 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pmYour welcome. Any questions, please ask. I try to be as transparent as I can.
Your tag..
I have to agree with you. Sal and co. make this way more interesting! Nobody does what they do in so many varieties, and they do a pretty good job with them, too. Of the now 64 Spydercos I have tested, all have been pretty much on target. Considering the amount, and variety of steels from Spyderco, that is outstanding. Their 4V is amazingly consistent. Two Para 3s and 2 Manix 2 were all within a half point of each other.
Do you think it possible to test CTS-204P, M390 and 20CV all in the same model? I can’t get over the difference and similarities. M390 being identical in use to CTS 204P But 20CV coming out so much sharper and I am talking fresh from the factory blades not any errors introduced by sharpening.jcoolG19 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pmYour welcome. Any questions, please ask. I try to be as transparent as I can.
Your tag..
I have to agree with you. Sal and co. make this way more interesting! Nobody does what they do in so many varieties, and they do a pretty good job with them, too. Of the now 64 Spydercos I have tested, all have been pretty much on target. Considering the amount, and variety of steels from Spyderco, that is outstanding. Their 4V is amazingly consistent. Two Para 3s and 2 Manix 2 were all within a half point of each other.
That's fantastic!ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:03 pmSo back to the original topic.... soft M390.
Dave Warren of Tuya Knives is getting some positive attention today on Instagram. His company had been selling M390 advertised at 59-61. His company saw JcoolG19's HRC test numbers of their knives at 57 hrc and he called the factory in China and had them check. They confirmed that Kurts testing was indeed accurate and that their knives were testing lower than they thought. Perhaps a calibration error at the factory in China.
What's getting him the positive attention is his company's response. Not only did he apologize for the error, he is recalling all of the M390 blades and is going to have them re-treated. He also added that after listening to the community the new range for all M390 knives going forward will no longer be 59-61 but 61-62.
In reading the comments on IG, I can tell you that guy just got himself some new customers.
We need more 4v from Spyderco!jcoolG19 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pmYour welcome. Any questions, please ask. I try to be as transparent as I can.
Your tag..
I have to agree with you. Sal and co. make this way more interesting! Nobody does what they do in so many varieties, and they do a pretty good job with them, too. Of the now 64 Spydercos I have tested, all have been pretty much on target. Considering the amount, and variety of steels from Spyderco, that is outstanding. Their 4V is amazingly consistent. Two Para 3s and 2 Manix 2 were all within a half point of each other.
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts.![]()
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
Thanks for telling everyone about this.ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:03 pmSo back to the original topic.... soft M390.
Dave Warren of Tuya Knives is getting some positive attention today on Instagram. His company had been selling M390 advertised at 59-61. His company saw JcoolG19's HRC test numbers of their knives at 57 hrc and he called the factory in China and had them check. They confirmed that Kurts testing was indeed accurate and that their knives were testing lower than they thought. Perhaps a calibration error at the factory in China.
What's getting him the positive attention is his company's response. Not only did he apologize for the error, he is recalling all of the M390 blades and is going to have them re-treated. He also added that after listening to the community the new range for all M390 knives going forward will no longer be 59-61 but 61-62.
In reading the comments on IG, I can tell you that guy just got himself some new customers.
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