To the experts (and just those with an opinion),
For use as an EDC, which would you reccomend:
Delica (SS or FRN)?
Pro-Grip (SS or FRN/Krayton)?
To be clear, I'm looking to purchase only one knife but there are four possibilities. Thanks!
Need reccomendation please
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travis quaas
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Before I answer...what are planning on doing with it? Obviously, the blade shape will allow you to do different things the other blade will not allow you to do. Consider the weight of the stainless steel handle. Both will have VG-10 except for the stainless steel handled Delica (AUS-6). For me personally, that knocks off the Stainless Steel handled Delica. VG-10 seems to be a winner for a lot of folks.
I've heard people say that the tip of the Pro Grip blade is more robust. I've heard people say that they do a lot of fine work with the sharp tip of the Delica (which is more important to you?).
The clip on the Pro Grip has a 3 screw configuration. I prefer this to the Barrel Screw of the Lightweight Delica. The Clip on the Pro Grip is rubberized to make sure that knife won't slip out of your pocket.
Price seems to be a big part of people's decisions. But, I must argue that when you are talking about a knife that you will have for years the initial cost is not that important. Between the more expensive Pro Grip MSRP is $113 and the Delica S/S which is $69, you are talking about a $44 immediate difference. Now, take that $44 and have this knife (the one you choose because you are happy with it) for a year. This means you spent $3.67 per month to have a more expensive knife. I hope I am not over explaining this....<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Anyway, I would suggest you get which ever knife you like better despite the cost. And take into consideration the fine differences in the model's blade shape, handle material, clip configuration.
I DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION...HA!
TQ
I've heard people say that the tip of the Pro Grip blade is more robust. I've heard people say that they do a lot of fine work with the sharp tip of the Delica (which is more important to you?).
The clip on the Pro Grip has a 3 screw configuration. I prefer this to the Barrel Screw of the Lightweight Delica. The Clip on the Pro Grip is rubberized to make sure that knife won't slip out of your pocket.
Price seems to be a big part of people's decisions. But, I must argue that when you are talking about a knife that you will have for years the initial cost is not that important. Between the more expensive Pro Grip MSRP is $113 and the Delica S/S which is $69, you are talking about a $44 immediate difference. Now, take that $44 and have this knife (the one you choose because you are happy with it) for a year. This means you spent $3.67 per month to have a more expensive knife. I hope I am not over explaining this....<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Anyway, I would suggest you get which ever knife you like better despite the cost. And take into consideration the fine differences in the model's blade shape, handle material, clip configuration.
I DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION...HA!
TQ
Maybe you didn't answer the question fully, but that was still very helpful. I agree about the price. I'm not that concerned about it because I will have this knife for many years. I've had my navigator for the past four years, but alas it's time for something larger.
Is there a big difference between AUS-6 and VG-10? Is it mainly edge retention that will be noticed? I've also been checking the knives out online and I see some dealers selling the ATS-55 models for both the Pro-Grip and Delica. How does this compare?
Thanks again!
Alan
Is there a big difference between AUS-6 and VG-10? Is it mainly edge retention that will be noticed? I've also been checking the knives out online and I see some dealers selling the ATS-55 models for both the Pro-Grip and Delica. How does this compare?
Thanks again!
Alan
I usually carry an FRN Delica and have no complaints. I also have a VG10 stainless Pro-Grip. To tell you the truth I probably like the Pro-Grip better but the light weight Delica is so easy to carry. As Travis says, your intended use should be the decider here, but whichever knife you choose I don't think you can go wrong with any of the models you're considering.
The Delica would be more useful as EDC.If you can wait and want something even better the Para military should be out soon.Also if you can find one there is a G10 Delica called the Standard.
OR
How about the nicest of all Delicas the CF Delica.
I learn something new everyday,even though I don't want to. Jeff
Edited by - J Smith on 10/21/2003 10:38:06 AM
Edited by - J Smith on 10/21/2003 10:41:14 AM
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How about the nicest of all Delicas the CF Delica.
I learn something new everyday,even though I don't want to. Jeff
Edited by - J Smith on 10/21/2003 10:38:06 AM
Edited by - J Smith on 10/21/2003 10:41:14 AM
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travis quaas
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alds,
For the everyday type person (of which no one here is...), you won't notice a dramatic difference in edge retention and corrosion resistance between the VG-10 and AUS-6. Now, for the masters of ALL they perceive, you guys know that the VG-10 is superior to the AUS-6. The rating (if you can quantify this) on the VG-10 edge retention is great. Generally, I would say that the AUS-6 corrosion resistance is right up there with the VG-10. Here's a quick reference that Spyderco Testing produced for us (please don't ask me for the exact measurements, this is information that my Research and Development keeps to themselves)
EDGE RETENTION (Best to worst):
1. CPMS30V
2. CPM440V
3. VG-10
4. MBS-26
5. ATS-55
CORROSION RESISTANCE (Best to worst):
1. CPM-S30V
2. MBS-26
3. 440C
4. VG-10
5. AUS-6
I would be remiss to mention that we are working on making the Salt 1 with H-1 steel. As put to me, it seems that the H-1 steel is "almost rust proof". Seeing that you guys will probably quote me on this stuff, I will include a little disclaimer...this information is currently the latest information the Spyderco has. All results may differ depending on atmosphere, testing equipment and edge configurations and any other thing that will prevent me from getting in trouble for providing this info. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
This will at least get you started. In the meantime, make sure to also take into consideration that the folks that post on this forum bring a lot to the dinner table on this subject. Jeff does a lot of work on his own and can tell you about his experiences. For me, this is more valuable than any scientific method approach. Dare I say that I may get in trouble for saying that a person's perception is better than the scientific method? Oh well, I like what I see and go with people's long and valuable experiences.
TQ
For the everyday type person (of which no one here is...), you won't notice a dramatic difference in edge retention and corrosion resistance between the VG-10 and AUS-6. Now, for the masters of ALL they perceive, you guys know that the VG-10 is superior to the AUS-6. The rating (if you can quantify this) on the VG-10 edge retention is great. Generally, I would say that the AUS-6 corrosion resistance is right up there with the VG-10. Here's a quick reference that Spyderco Testing produced for us (please don't ask me for the exact measurements, this is information that my Research and Development keeps to themselves)
EDGE RETENTION (Best to worst):
1. CPMS30V
2. CPM440V
3. VG-10
4. MBS-26
5. ATS-55
CORROSION RESISTANCE (Best to worst):
1. CPM-S30V
2. MBS-26
3. 440C
4. VG-10
5. AUS-6
I would be remiss to mention that we are working on making the Salt 1 with H-1 steel. As put to me, it seems that the H-1 steel is "almost rust proof". Seeing that you guys will probably quote me on this stuff, I will include a little disclaimer...this information is currently the latest information the Spyderco has. All results may differ depending on atmosphere, testing equipment and edge configurations and any other thing that will prevent me from getting in trouble for providing this info. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
This will at least get you started. In the meantime, make sure to also take into consideration that the folks that post on this forum bring a lot to the dinner table on this subject. Jeff does a lot of work on his own and can tell you about his experiences. For me, this is more valuable than any scientific method approach. Dare I say that I may get in trouble for saying that a person's perception is better than the scientific method? Oh well, I like what I see and go with people's long and valuable experiences.
TQ
Thank you all for the help so far.
J Smith, I saw the CF Delica for sale but my inexperience and lack of a "knife education" led me to believe that the CF wasn't worth the extra money. As far as I could tell, all that differed was the handle. What's so much better about CF? What type of material is it (how does it feel)? Is it possible that someone can post a close-up picture of this material? I've been looking online, but have been unsuccessful in finding one.
Also, is there any information on the dimensions of the para-military? I'd heard that this is supposed to be released soon, but I dismissed it because I thought that it would be large (not like the milli but maybe like the endura).
Once again, thank you everybody for all of the help and information. It is greatly appreciated.
J Smith, I saw the CF Delica for sale but my inexperience and lack of a "knife education" led me to believe that the CF wasn't worth the extra money. As far as I could tell, all that differed was the handle. What's so much better about CF? What type of material is it (how does it feel)? Is it possible that someone can post a close-up picture of this material? I've been looking online, but have been unsuccessful in finding one.
Also, is there any information on the dimensions of the para-military? I'd heard that this is supposed to be released soon, but I dismissed it because I thought that it would be large (not like the milli but maybe like the endura).
Once again, thank you everybody for all of the help and information. It is greatly appreciated.
IMO CF is one of the best looking Scales there is.It is very light,very strong and the profile of the CF Delica is very thin.You can get them on Ebay for about 80.00 to 85.00.I think they are worth the extra price.I am about to leave for work but I will try to get you a really good pic up when I get in tonight.
I learn something new everyday,even though I don't want to. Jeff
I learn something new everyday,even though I don't want to. Jeff
alds,
Hey, I see your location and if you can wait about two weeks, the New York Custom Knife show is in the city. Sal and company will be there and you can handle, try and ask a million questions about any model that interests you. Mr. Glesser is always willing to explain and edify. I highly recommend it. I'll be there! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Hey, I see your location and if you can wait about two weeks, the New York Custom Knife show is in the city. Sal and company will be there and you can handle, try and ask a million questions about any model that interests you. Mr. Glesser is always willing to explain and edify. I highly recommend it. I'll be there! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
I have both of those in SS and find them heavy in the pocket for everyday carry. Both fine knives but I would go with the FRN handle Delica. Also take a look at the Native. I have it in both plastic and SS. I really like the fell of it and the FRN is the one I usually grab. The blade is thicker than the Delica and that may be a plus for heavy use. You may also want to consider the Vesuvius. I have acouple of those and my serrated Vesuvius gets used when I have rope to cut. Any of the ones you mentioned are Excellent-I jsut am not a fan of SS. Too slick to hold and too heavy in the pocket.
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