Why no lightweight PM2?

[Jerome Howard]

I wonder why there hasn't been a lightweight FRN version of the PM2?

Too similar in size to the Endura?

I think either an Endura with a compression lock or an FRN PM2 would be something I would buy.

[Mushroom]

Oh, probably because the PM2 is already the best knife Spyderco has ever made. Right?

[Jerome Howard]

Oh, probably because the PM2 is already the best knife Spyderco has ever made. Right?

Well, there IS that.

[kennethsime]

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This has been discussed a few times now. I think it’s been prototyped, but probably very far off still.

I think there is some hesitation around “getting it right the first time,” just like there was around the Military 2.

In the mean time, you might consider a Stretch LW, especially the K390 version. It’s the same size, has very similar ergonomics, a nice straight clip point blade, and is readily available.

[Wartstein]

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This has been discussed a few times now. I think it’s been prototyped, but probably very far off still.

I think there is some hesitation around “getting it right the first time,” just like there was around the Military 2.

In the mean time, you might consider a Stretch LW, especially the K390 version. It’s the same size, has very similar ergonomics, a nice straight clip point blade, and is readily available.

Could be, but I am not sure if that "getting it right" is really that hard in this case: After all they did a great job with the Para 3 LW as first linerless comp lock folder and should know everything they need to to transfer this in the basically just a bit longer, but otherwise pretty similar PM2?
Perhaps it's rather about current production capacity or something like that?

/ As for the Stretch LW: Great knife, I prefer it over the PM2, no doubt!
But it has pretty much the same weight as the PM2vand still liners, just FRN instead of G10.

[Bill1170]

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This has been discussed a few times now. I think it’s been prototyped, but probably very far off still.

I think there is some hesitation around “getting it right the first time,” just like there was around the Military 2.

In the mean time, you might consider a Stretch LW, especially the K390 version. It’s the same size, has very similar ergonomics, a nice straight clip point blade, and is readily available.

Could be, but I am not sure if that "getting it right" is really that hard in this case: After all they did a great job with the Para 3 LW as first linerless comp lock folder and should know everything they need to to transfer this in the basically just a bit longer, but otherwise pretty similar PM2?
Perhaps it's rather about current production capacity or something like that?

/ As for the Stretch LW: Great knife, I prefer it over the PM2, no doubt!
But it has pretty much the same weight as the PM2vand still liners, just FRN instead of G10.

I agree about Golden’s capacity. Several times Sal has stated that they are absolutely slammed. Good problem to have, considering the alternative.

[cjk]

I kinda hope they don't honestly. Seems like there has to be other more interesting stuff that could be made instead.

[Wartstein]

I kinda hope they don't honestly. Seems like there has to be other more interesting stuff that could be made instead.

Regardless of how Interesting or not: From a business point of view I think they almost have to, right?
A PM 2 LW can't be anything else but a huge success imo.

[RamZar]

Currently, a ParaMilitary2 Lightweight BD1N & FRN will cannibalize sales of the regular and highly profitable PM2 S45VN & G-10 with liners. However, the writing is on the wall.

[Wartstein]

Currently, a ParaMilitary2 Lightweight BD1N & FRN will cannibalize sales of the regular and highly profitable PM2 S30V & G-10 with liners. However, the writing is on the wall.

Perfect combo for me, but make it LC or MC and the "cannibalization" will get even more severe...

[RamZar]

Currently, a ParaMilitary2 Lightweight BD1N & FRN will cannibalize sales of the regular and highly profitable PM2 S45VN & G-10 with liners. However, the writing is on the wall.

Perfect combo for me, but make it LC or MC and the "cannibalization" will get even more severe...

The current PM2 S45VN & G-10 has a street price of $185.50 so I think it’s a matter of when not if for a “budget” PM2.

[engine]

S45WN is fare better then BD1N?

[RamZar]

S45VN is far better than BD1N?

They’re about the same in Toughness & Corrosion Resistance but S45VN is much better in Edge Retention.

[mongo1958]

Currently, a ParaMilitary2 Lightweight BD1N & FRN will cannibalize sales of the regular and highly profitable PM2 S30V & G-10 with liners. However, the writing is on the wall.

Perfect combo for me, but make it LC or MC and the "cannibalization" will get even more severe...

It would not surprise me to see an assortment of colors with deferent steels. There is always a blue with 110 steel along with other steels and color combo's.
I would imagine it to be like the Manix LW series. I would hope to see a translucent blue, I would want to get that one.
If Spyderco did that, it would sell like crazy. But hey, this may be wishful thinking.

[Dirk Funk]

I am disappointed the PM2 Salt isn’t lightweight FRN. 3.4” Magnacut blade, compression lock and under 3oz? For my uses that’s the perfect knife. I suspect they chose not to go LW as that would make all other knives obsolete. Sales of other Spyderco models would drop to nothing and a significant number of competitor knife companies would go out of business. The final boss pocket knife.

[Xformer]

In my humble opinion, it all depends on the Para 3 lightweight sales results. Making a lightweight compression lock is a huge design challenge. The P3 lightweight is one of the best piece of engineering I've seen recently.

[Foehammer]

I am disappointed the PM2 Salt isn’t lightweight FRN. 3.4” Magnacut blade, compression lock and under 3oz? For my uses that’s the perfect knife. I suspect they chose not to go LW as that would make all other knives obsolete. Sales of other Spyderco models would drop to nothing and a significant number of competitor knife companies would go out of business. The final boss pocket knife.

Let’s not forget that a substantial amount of folks prefer the heft and quality feel of g10/liners.

[abbazaba]

I assumed the feet dragging had to do with the expansion of Golden more than anything else. Not only will they need to fulfill the initial interest in the base model, but they will inevitably have a ton of requests by dealers for exclusives.

[Bemo]

I'm hoping for a LW version in a variety of steel including a salt version. Would I get one? Perhaps. But the sales would fund all the other interesting ideas that Eric, Sal, and this form have had. I really do think the sales would be that robust.

[Bill1170]

In the meantime, a Stretch XL Salt LW would be just the thing, in MagnaCut, of course. Do it in Seki, it’s a backlock like the linerless Pac Salt. Not made in Golden. Just a thought.