A Great Knife
A Great Knife
Anyone interested in getting a truly superlative pocket knife should check out the Boker CPM 440V, model 2052 or 2053. No fancy serrated edges or pocket clips here - just a very strong knife of typical German quality.
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4 s ter
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Sorry Robby, but one of the reasons I spend time on the Spyderco Forum is the fact that I like "fancy serrated edges and pocket clips" and typical Spyderco quality (whatever the country of manufacture).
Oh, by the way, welcome to the Spyderco Forum!
David
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Edited by - 4 s ter on 8/9/2003 6:07:05 PM
Oh, by the way, welcome to the Spyderco Forum!
David
"Not all who wander are lost"
Edited by - 4 s ter on 8/9/2003 6:07:05 PM
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Welcome to the Spyderco Forum. With all do respect for your oppinions, I'll try to compare the Boker 2052 / 2053 with a similar Spydie and see what it gets.
I went to the first site that has this particular model available, and this happened to be bestknives.com
First, the Boker is a knife (nicer or not according to anyone's taste so I won't discuss this matter here) featuring dual stainless steel liners and bolsters, and micarta / cocobolo scales. I couldn't find too many data but this obviously is a heavy knife, a thing some preffer, others not. Speaking for myself, I'm an all time knife bearer, so I preffer lighter knives.
The locking system is a back lock. It is an obsolete lock, with two major disadvantages: 1) The need either for two hands to close the knife, or to turn the knife in order to press the lock with your thumb; and 2) while in closed position, the lock is susceptible to damage the blade, because of the friction between the edge and the handles. It is a thing inherent to lock backs. Some models have all sort of stops for the blade, but I don't think it's the case here and besides it's not an elegant solution. Spyderco uses the positive front lock, which is an update of the lock back and solves the problems described before.
The slightly recurved blade is made out of CPM 440V (or S60V as it's known now), which is a great steel. Spyderco used it with great results SOME TIME AGO. Unfortunately for your Boker, the S30V used by certain spydies has proven to be better than the 440V. And Spyderco also offers plain edge blades, not only serrated ones, if you want. Just like Boker offers partially serrated knives whose serrations, imagine that, are quite identical to those developed by Spyderco.
The knife can be opened using a thumbstud. A system widely used by numerous brands. Now it's obviously a subjective point of view, but most of us - to say the least - preffer a round hole instead of a thumbstud.
You call it a strong knife. Based upon the overall looks of the knife, the apparent blade thickness and the locking type, I'd dare to rate it as heavy to medium duty. Believe me, your knive wouldn't stand a chance to a Lil'T (to remain in the 3" blade length area).
Finally, the price. The MSRP listed there was $130. At this price you surely get a good spydie.
OBTW I don't want to argue about the typical German quality. Just say that I'm pretty satisfied with the typical Spyderco quality <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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I went to the first site that has this particular model available, and this happened to be bestknives.com
First, the Boker is a knife (nicer or not according to anyone's taste so I won't discuss this matter here) featuring dual stainless steel liners and bolsters, and micarta / cocobolo scales. I couldn't find too many data but this obviously is a heavy knife, a thing some preffer, others not. Speaking for myself, I'm an all time knife bearer, so I preffer lighter knives.
The locking system is a back lock. It is an obsolete lock, with two major disadvantages: 1) The need either for two hands to close the knife, or to turn the knife in order to press the lock with your thumb; and 2) while in closed position, the lock is susceptible to damage the blade, because of the friction between the edge and the handles. It is a thing inherent to lock backs. Some models have all sort of stops for the blade, but I don't think it's the case here and besides it's not an elegant solution. Spyderco uses the positive front lock, which is an update of the lock back and solves the problems described before.
The slightly recurved blade is made out of CPM 440V (or S60V as it's known now), which is a great steel. Spyderco used it with great results SOME TIME AGO. Unfortunately for your Boker, the S30V used by certain spydies has proven to be better than the 440V. And Spyderco also offers plain edge blades, not only serrated ones, if you want. Just like Boker offers partially serrated knives whose serrations, imagine that, are quite identical to those developed by Spyderco.
The knife can be opened using a thumbstud. A system widely used by numerous brands. Now it's obviously a subjective point of view, but most of us - to say the least - preffer a round hole instead of a thumbstud.
You call it a strong knife. Based upon the overall looks of the knife, the apparent blade thickness and the locking type, I'd dare to rate it as heavy to medium duty. Believe me, your knive wouldn't stand a chance to a Lil'T (to remain in the 3" blade length area).
Finally, the price. The MSRP listed there was $130. At this price you surely get a good spydie.
OBTW I don't want to argue about the typical German quality. Just say that I'm pretty satisfied with the typical Spyderco quality <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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KBR: IMHO, you can't get anything better than a for your pocket. >>>
Depends on what you mean by "better".
Certain brands offer certain advantages. Spydercos are almost always extremely smooth in opening/closing. They're certainly among the sharpest knives around.
However, there are stronger knives; the Strider folders literally cannot be beaten in the strength/durability area, though they're not always the sharpest.
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Depends on what you mean by "better".
Certain brands offer certain advantages. Spydercos are almost always extremely smooth in opening/closing. They're certainly among the sharpest knives around.
However, there are stronger knives; the Strider folders literally cannot be beaten in the strength/durability area, though they're not always the sharpest.
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com