Question for JD Spydo.

[Reject]

You have for a long time been campaigning for the return of the Temperance, particularly with the serrated blade. Spyderco now have the Jumpermaster 2 which the same size and much the same shape as the Temperance. Shouldn’t this knife fill the same role as the Temperance?

:) I wish I could get these 2 knives into your hands so you could compare them.

So; :D what changes do you think would need to be made to the Temperance 2; to make it in to the knife you want?

How a knife feels in the hand is going to be a bit of a personal thing. For me; if pick up the Jumpmaster first. It feels good in the hand; you immediately feel the thinnest of the handle. But it fits snuggly in the hand and you know the thinnest of the handle is going to make it easier to carry.

If I pick up Temperance after that; the first thing that comes to mind. Is that if I am going be using one of these 2 all day long, this is the one I want. The wider contoured handle and the higher and wider blade ramp make all the difference.

The top rear of the handle of the Jumpmaster 2 drops off less than on the Temperance. Which for me feels better and puts the blade at better cutting angle. :o For me at least.

[VashHash]

I'm not JD but I have been saying the same thing for a while. It's very very similar and for the most part I would just get a jump master 2. Luckily I have a SE temp 1.

[Reject]

I'm not JD but I have been saying the same thing for a while. It's very very similar and for the most part I would just get a jump master 2. Luckily I have a SE temp 1.

What is your feeling on their differences in feel and ergonomics?
Which one would you choose for heavy use, light use, carry? :spyder: If they were the same steel.

Edit; :o Just re-read your post and you didn't say you had a Jumpmaster.

:) Do you have one? Just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on them.

[JRinFL]

I don't have either knife, but it sure looks like the Temperance would be far and away the most comfortable to use for long periods.

[VashHash]

I'm not JD but I have been saying the same thing for a while. It's very very similar and for the most part I would just get a jump master 2. Luckily I have a SE temp 1.

What is your feeling on their differences in feel and ergonomics?
Which one would you choose for heavy use, light use, carry? :spyder: If they were the same steel.

Edit; :o Just re-read your post and you didn't say you had a Jumpmaster.

:) Do you have one? Just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on them.

Unfortunately I don't have a jump master. But I can tell from my experience with the temp 1 that I would most likely enjoy the jump master handle. It would probably carry flatter in my preferred carry method too with the thinner scales. If I didn't have the temp I'd get one. Also wanted to add that with the jump master you could put any handle you wanted because of the screws.

[Reject]

I'm not JD but I have been saying the same thing for a while. It's very very similar and for the most part I would just get a jump master 2. Luckily I have a SE temp 1.

What is your feeling on their differences in feel and ergonomics?
Which one would you choose for heavy use, light use, carry? :spyder: If they were the same steel.

Edit; :o Just re-read your post and you didn't say you had a Jumpmaster.

:) Do you have one? Just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on them.

Unfortunately I don't have a jump master. But I can tell from my experience with the temp 1 that I would most likely enjoy the jump master handle. It would probably carry flatter in my preferred carry method too with the thinner scales. If I didn't have the temp I'd get one. Also wanted to add that with the jump master you could put any handle you wanted because of the screws.

:) Good point.

[JD Spydo]

OK this is a very fair question to ask. And I'm glad that Brother REJECT asked me that question :) There is something so perfect about that handle on the TEMP 1 model that I've never experienced on any other Spyderco fixed blade model. Not to mention the original TekLok Sheath that they came with also fills a lot of my needs. Also I'll add that I like VG-10 blade steel far better than I do H-1>> especially in plain edge :cool:

You are correct in saying that the JUMPMASTER model has a lot of similarities to it>> but nothing I've found yet has that "almost perfect feel" to it that the TEMP 1 has. Even the TEMP 2 didn't intrigue me like the TEMP 1 model did as good as it was.

I know we all have our "likes" and "dislikes" and we also have our own set of peculiarities as well. And I've looked for a fixed blade Spyderco model that I might like better than the TEMP 1 but I haven't found it yet. That may not be the answer you expected but that's the truth from my perspective. LONG LIVE THE Spyderco TEMP 1 model :cool: !!!

[JD Spydo]

I don't have either knife, but it sure looks like the Temperance would be far and away the most comfortable to use for long periods.

JR I can't even begin to tell you how perfect the TEMPERANCE 1 model feels like in my hand when I'm working with it. It feels so natural that it's like a periphery of my own body almost. I've not yet owned a Jumpmaster but I have got to hold one in my hand at a local gun show. It is a great design and the handle isn't bad>> but it still is not the great overall feel that I get when I'm using either one of my TEMP 1 models. Sal got this one 100% perfect from the "get-go" in my humble opinion.

I would just love to see an affordable outdoor Salt Series version of the TEMP 1 in LC200N in PE & SE both. I could even go with a full SE in H-1 if that would make it more affordable.

If any of you have ever had a knife that feels so natural that it's as though they designed it tailor made for you then you will know what I'm talking about. It's the same reason I'm so obsessed with the C-60 Ayoob folder model. It's just ergonomically perfect to me just like the TEMP 1 fixed blade is. They are both that good. :cool:

[JD Spydo]

You have for a long time been campaigning for the return of the Temperance, particularly with the serrated blade

:) I wish I could get these 2 knives into your hands so you could compare them.

So; :D what changes do you think would need to be made to the Temperance 2; to make it in to the knife you want?

How a knife feels in the hand is going to be a bit of a personal thing. For me; if pick up the Jumpmaster first. It feels good in the hand; you immediately feel the thinnest of the handle. But it fits snuggly in the hand and you know the thinnest of the handle is going to make it easier to carry.

Well first off the biggest thing that they could have done for the TEMP 2 model would to have made it available in SE. And why they didn't especially with the success they had with the TEMP 1 is just beyond me. It's almost the same as why they didn't make the Superhawk, Captain, and Ulize available in SE :confused: :confused: that just didn't compute to me at all. Also the TEMP 2 handle isn't quite as good ergonomically as the TEMP 1 handle is.

From the very first time I got my hands on a TEMP 1 model I just knew that knife was literally perfect for my uses. And over the years I've tried out several of Spyderco's fixed blade knives>> mostly testing them out at gun shows and so forth. But to this day I haven't yet found a fixed blade that accommodates my needs like the TEMP 1 does. They got it right the very first time when they designed the TEMP 1 in my humble opinion. :cool:

[Evil D]

Apparently the Jumpmaster 2 is the top dog in the SE hardness world, according to Eric in a recent video. It's on my list of knives to buy when I have disposable income, since I rarely use fixed blades it would be more of a curiosity than a user.

[sal]

FYI, Both the Temperance models (1 & 2) were hand carved in wood by yours truly before making them.

sal

[Reject]

FYI, Both the Temperance models (1 & 2) were hand carved in wood by yours truly before making them.

sal

:) Interesting stuff.

For me the Temperance fits well in the hand, I feel I could work with it all day without problems. If it was the only fixed blade I could have, I would not feel hardly do by.

But for JD it is the one; :spyder: to quote JD “From the very first time I got my hands on a TEMP 1 model I just knew that knife was literally perfect for my uses.”

My knife collecting started with a quest for a knife that made me feel that way.

Which bring me the question that popped into my mind. Have you two gentlemen ever had the opportunity to shake hands. How close are your hands in regard to size?

[JD Spydo]

FYI, Both the Temperance models (1 & 2) were hand carved in wood by yours truly before making them.

sal

Well Sir then you are an artist in the same league as Vincent Van Gogh and Andy Warhol ( two of my favs :D ) And I will always love my TEMP 1 models. That handle shape is truly a work of art.

I've said it before>> Many of Spyderco's "IN HOUSE" designs are among my favorites. I sure hope this thread brings out many other admirers of the TEMP models. Because I've spoke to many fellow admirers in the past couple of years about these models.

Thank you SIR!! for sharing that with us :)

[Evil D]

FYI, Both the Temperance models (1 & 2) were hand carved in wood by yours truly before making them.

sal

This stuff really needs shared with the group.

[Bill1170]

I can see why JD loves his Temperance 1 so much. That handle shape is familiar to me not only from the similar Temperance 2, but also from a pair of Mule Team blades I fitted with fat cork handles, contoured in the same way. Like the classic puukko, a fat handle with a palm swell is wonderful for prolonged work with minimal fatigue.

[JD Spydo]

I can see why JD loves his Temperance 1 so much. That handle shape is familiar to me not only from the similar Temperance 2, but also from a pair of Mule Team blades I fitted with fat cork handles, contoured in the same way. Like the classic puukko, a fat handle with a palm swell is wonderful for prolonged work with minimal fatigue.

Well thank you "Bill" :) Because my love of the TEMP 1 is not about sentimental old school memories. Quite the contrary. And do consider that the TEMP 1 and Temp 2 both had VG-10 blade steel. Here you've got a knife with standard, run of the mill blade steel>> otherwise nothing obvious to be excited about. But when you skin and field dress a deer ( or several of them) and process lots of meat, vegetables and other food items you just begin to love it's super ergonomic design and the total comfort of working with a knife that was most definitely designed to work with

If they ever do make an outdoor, Salt Series edition of the TEMP 1 I do believe that when people try them out they will have trouble keeping them on the shelves. And again I love the supersteels>> my M390 Military is my current favorite EDC. But the TEMP 1 is so good to work with that VG-10 blade steel doesn't even cross my mind. And don't forget the TEMP 2 also had a VG-10 blade. But you never heard nothing but good about it either

[Bill1170]

I can see why JD loves his Temperance 1 so much. That handle shape is familiar to me not only from the similar Temperance 2, but also from a pair of Mule Team blades I fitted with fat cork handles, contoured in the same way. Like the classic puukko, a fat handle with a palm swell is wonderful for prolonged work with minimal fatigue.

Well thank you "Bill" :) Because my love of the TEMP 1 is not about sentimental old school memories. Quite the contrary. And do consider that the TEMP 1 and Temp 2 both had VG-10 blade steel. Here you've got a knife with standard, run of the mill blade steel>> otherwise nothing obvious to be excited about. But when you skin and field dress a deer ( or several of them) and process lots of meat, vegetables and other food items you just begin to love it's super ergonomic design and the total comfort of working with a knife that was most definitely designed to work with

If they ever do make an outdoor, Salt Series edition of the TEMP 1 I do believe that when people try them out they will have trouble keeping them on the shelves. And again I love the supersteels>> my M390 Military is my current favorite EDC. But the TEMP 1 is so good to work with that VG-10 blade steel doesn't even cross my mind. And don't forget the TEMP 2 also had a VG-10 blade. But you never heard nothing but good about it either

VG-10 is the Rodney Dangerfield of knife steels. It doesn’t receive the respect it deserves.

[JD Spydo]

I can see why JD loves his Temperance 1 so much. That handle shape is familiar to me not only from the similar Temperance 2, but also from a pair of Mule Team blades I fitted with fat cork handles, contoured in the same way. Like the classic puukko, a fat handle with a palm swell is wonderful for prolonged work with minimal fatigue.

Well thank you "Bill" :) Because my love of the TEMP 1 is not about sentimental old school memories. Quite the contrary. And do consider that the TEMP 1 and Temp 2 both had VG-10 blade steel. Here you've got a knife with standard, run of the mill blade steel>> otherwise nothing obvious to be excited about. But when you skin and field dress a deer ( or several of them) and process lots of meat, vegetables and other food items you just begin to love it's super ergonomic design and the total comfort of working with a knife that was most definitely designed to work with

If they ever do make an outdoor, Salt Series edition of the TEMP 1 I do believe that when people try them out they will have trouble keeping them on the shelves. And again I love the supersteels>> my M390 Military is my current favorite EDC. But the TEMP 1 is so good to work with that VG-10 blade steel doesn't even cross my mind. And don't forget the TEMP 2 also had a VG-10 blade. But you never heard nothing but good about it either

VG-10 is the Rodney Dangerfield of knife steels. It doesn’t receive the respect it deserves.

Bill I couldn't have said that any better. Because again look at the TEMP 2 model and how long it stayed popular in the main line up and I only heard praises of that model all the time it was available. Oh and by the way for all you new folks it is a VG-10 fixed blade model.

I've kept several of my SE & PE VG-10 models over the years and still have at least 6 of each in my user rotation. One big "plus" that VG-10 has is it's ease of sharpening in the field. And it holds an edge pretty darn good by comparison. OH certainly I couldn't compare it to my hallowed M390 Military model and probably not my S110V Para2. But look at it this way. I've kept the vast majority of all the VG-10 Spyders I've ever owned. And again look how long I've used my first set ( SE & PE) of TEMP 1 models. And I could have replaced them with other fixed blades at least 10 years ago if I was disatisfied.

[cabfrank]

Just to chime in, I have a Jumpmaster 2. It is a fantastic knife, fantastic size, comfortable, ergonomic and an absolute cutting beast. I have seen people with no experience hack through standing water bottles with it, effortlessly. I don't encourage this often though, as it makes me hold my breath for a second, thinking about the edge, and the table beneath the bottle.

[Josh Crutchley]

I just recently got into larger knives and the Temperance 1 really intrigues me. I don't like the Temp 2 diagonal plunge line that much. The one I would like to see most is a Temp 1 Salt with lc200n.