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the kaiser
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why not?
I notice that Spyderco doesn`t seem to offer any automatic knives,why is that?Is the automatic too difficult to make,is it not simple enough?A
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the kaiser
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Some of us like autos.We like the positive control of a coiler,the hand stays on the handle where its supposed to be,and yes,I have one Spyderco-a Gunting-I am aware of its purpose,but I find it awkward.It is also extremely heavy for a piece of its size and blade length,and the release is difficult.
If can be so bold as to speak for Sal, I have read on other forums that he will not produce autos because they are illegal in the state of Colorado. I also don't believe that he is interested in the headaches of making an effort enforce the whole authorized persons only thing that goes with autos.
If the Guntinf is too heavy, there are plenty of lighter models to choose from like the Starmate, Centofante, Native etc. Not to mention the Delica and Endura. I really see no advantage that autos have over the hole. The hole is just as fast and it will not break.
If the Guntinf is too heavy, there are plenty of lighter models to choose from like the Starmate, Centofante, Native etc. Not to mention the Delica and Endura. I really see no advantage that autos have over the hole. The hole is just as fast and it will not break.
I do not understand the draw of an auto. I have owned and carried a good number of them trying to get a feeling for it and just simply cannot. I have carried Paragon, Dalton, Benchmade, and Microtech, and I still haven't found a single one that is worth ****. I think those are some names that currently produce decent autos to say the least (excepting Paragon, they currently produce******with springs).
How do you say you have more control over a coil fired knife than you do over a one handed knife. I find the button **** awkward and that I have a **** good grip on all my other knives.
Also, as dac mentioned, the spring in an auto can break. I refuse to carry something that I cannot physically see wear on as I think you would be in a world of hurt if a situation came up where a knife would save your*****and the spring you your precious little auto sheared. I know my hole will be there and I know it will work every time, no margin of error.
Don't know much about the Gunting except for the fact that I want one and don't have one<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
I can open all my other knives **** near as fast as any auto that I have handled, and they are more accepted/legal to carry under most situations.
EDIT/PS I also don't see how you can say you have better control over an auto as I have had an auto **** near jump out of my hand before. If my hands were cold, and the handle was slick, i'd be SOL. Again, never had a Spydie or any other folding/fixed knife for that matter do that to me.
Edited by - tique on 1/27/2001 11:43:15 PM
How do you say you have more control over a coil fired knife than you do over a one handed knife. I find the button **** awkward and that I have a **** good grip on all my other knives.
Also, as dac mentioned, the spring in an auto can break. I refuse to carry something that I cannot physically see wear on as I think you would be in a world of hurt if a situation came up where a knife would save your*****and the spring you your precious little auto sheared. I know my hole will be there and I know it will work every time, no margin of error.
Don't know much about the Gunting except for the fact that I want one and don't have one<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
I can open all my other knives **** near as fast as any auto that I have handled, and they are more accepted/legal to carry under most situations.
EDIT/PS I also don't see how you can say you have better control over an auto as I have had an auto **** near jump out of my hand before. If my hands were cold, and the handle was slick, i'd be SOL. Again, never had a Spydie or any other folding/fixed knife for that matter do that to me.
Edited by - tique on 1/27/2001 11:43:15 PM
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the kaiser
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Tique,the autos feel fine to me as the thumb stays on the handle.I just like to play with autos,unfortunately for me they are not cool to use everywhere.The Gunting was a surprise as far as handling goes,it is kind of ponderous,and its my 1st SK,I need to get out more and handle more pieces,I am in a relatively remote location and there are no convenient stores.My main and favorite carry is a[shush!]710 Axis,what a delight after all the crappy generic linerlocks and cheapo Bucks I have been accustomed to.I will probably trade the Gunting off to a buddy for something useful,its not a bad knife but not as good for me as the M&W 710.I wish Spyderco would make some Axis locks,now THAT would be something as it seems that most SKs are a bit less pricey then the BKs,but that Axis is hard to beat as far as simple strong friendly mechanisms go....
the kaiser,
I know what you mean about the axis, it does seem quite nice, but it has those **** springs again. The only BM I will carry is an 800 AFCK, and I'll be damned, what a coincidence, that has the Spydie Hole in it<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
If you are looking for something that is built like a tank, works very well, its absolutely top end cutlery, and isn't an auto, try a Spyderco Military, Starmate, or Wegner. I have played with all 3, and the Military is a daily carry on weekends.
Edited by - tique on 1/28/2001 1:35:23 AM
I know what you mean about the axis, it does seem quite nice, but it has those **** springs again. The only BM I will carry is an 800 AFCK, and I'll be damned, what a coincidence, that has the Spydie Hole in it<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
If you are looking for something that is built like a tank, works very well, its absolutely top end cutlery, and isn't an auto, try a Spyderco Military, Starmate, or Wegner. I have played with all 3, and the Military is a daily carry on weekends.
Edited by - tique on 1/28/2001 1:35:23 AM
Hi Kaiser. As Dac mentioned, they are illegal in most places in the world. Making them is not difficult. They are quite profitable to make though...like any illegal commodity.
As far as function goes, they are quite limited IMO.
They are more difficult to use with gloves on. They are slower to access the button than an opening hole. They cannot be stopped once the button is depressed and if they are stopped, they will not lock open. They cannot be opened partially. To mention a few.
I don't think the Gunting is a good 1st Spyderco though...being very specific in it's purpose.
The Axis is an excellent lock, but is a patented lock owned by Benchmade.
sal
As far as function goes, they are quite limited IMO.
They are more difficult to use with gloves on. They are slower to access the button than an opening hole. They cannot be stopped once the button is depressed and if they are stopped, they will not lock open. They cannot be opened partially. To mention a few.
I don't think the Gunting is a good 1st Spyderco though...being very specific in it's purpose.
The Axis is an excellent lock, but is a patented lock owned by Benchmade.
sal
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the kaiser
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Hi there Sal,
Couldn`t you make a deal with the Benchmade people and `rent' or whatever,the Axis,it is a very simple mechanism,and would seem to jibe with your philosophy about simplicity,those omega springs are really simple.They didn`t all break like every one predicted,I read that it was really only a couple do to `teething' problems,and that it is now licked,a Spyderco Axis would rule especially with the hole.Why Not?????
Couldn`t you make a deal with the Benchmade people and `rent' or whatever,the Axis,it is a very simple mechanism,and would seem to jibe with your philosophy about simplicity,those omega springs are really simple.They didn`t all break like every one predicted,I read that it was really only a couple do to `teething' problems,and that it is now licked,a Spyderco Axis would rule especially with the hole.Why Not?????
I have asked the axis question before. First is that BM hasn't, to my knowledge, released the axis lock to be used by other companies.
Second, Spyderco is doing some really cool stuff with the Compression Lock right now, so you might want to keep your eyes on that one. It's on the Gunting you have, and it is supposed to be on a few forthcoming models in the relatively near future.
The Compression Lock was explained to me, and appears through pics, to be more simple than the axis, yet it still holds the same principles. I cannot state this as my personal knowledge though, as I have yet to find a Gunting to play with.
Second, Spyderco is doing some really cool stuff with the Compression Lock right now, so you might want to keep your eyes on that one. It's on the Gunting you have, and it is supposed to be on a few forthcoming models in the relatively near future.
The Compression Lock was explained to me, and appears through pics, to be more simple than the axis, yet it still holds the same principles. I cannot state this as my personal knowledge though, as I have yet to find a Gunting to play with.
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Yea,both of them wedge the same part of the tang,and I guess you would have to either bust the rear pin or tear the liners out to break them,maybe the split liner of the CL might twist and allow the tang to pass the lock.Both of these babies are MF strong,but the CL is not exactly quick to put away for me anyway,so I`ll take the AL over the CL for ease anyday.I really doubt either one would ever fail in the real world and I do see some of the `stratagies' for the Gunting,but it is a little far fetched,hey I just want a bulletproof,easy utility knife for day to day life.I`m no combat pro,I`m just a Joe Average who actually uses a knife on a daily basis.I`m retired,I live in the woods and putter around in garage/workshop/duffer paradise,neither a soldier OR a suit,and I like knives..they are among my favorite tools.Maybe I`ll live long enough to outlive the AL patent and get my Spydie axis then-with a hole in it !!!!
Hi Kaiser. To my knowledge, Benchmade has not offerred the Axis to anyone else.
But, there is also some question as to the AL being a "Gravity knife" in out state. From the "ready" or "use" position, it is easy to release the lock and permit the blade to drop open from gravity. There are many advantages to making knives in states where the Switchblade/gravity knife/buttefly knife laws are lax.
sal
But, there is also some question as to the AL being a "Gravity knife" in out state. From the "ready" or "use" position, it is easy to release the lock and permit the blade to drop open from gravity. There are many advantages to making knives in states where the Switchblade/gravity knife/buttefly knife laws are lax.
sal
Sal, since there are so many advantages to the location where a knife is manufactured, why don't you move a plant to Alabama <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> and make knives here. Our laws are pretty easy to get along with, as long as you stay out of the major cities.
I'm sure there is plenty of land up here and tons of people in engineering, plenty of ways to work on tech. improvements.
Anyway, just a thought. Would let you make the Spyder bali in the states without any problems<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
I'm sure there is plenty of land up here and tons of people in engineering, plenty of ways to work on tech. improvements.
Anyway, just a thought. Would let you make the Spyder bali in the states without any problems<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.