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Ok, I've had a few weeks with the Phil Wilson Southfork now and I wanted to share some of my thoughts, observations and initial opinions about the knife. Normally I will post my initial thoughts on a folder within a few days of receiving it but I felt obliged to put the Southfork through more real world use before sharing any impressions. Folding knives, by nature, are more intriguing to me than fixed blades so it is easier for me to have a favorable (or not) impression within the first day or two. This impression is based on a lot of things other than how the knife actually performs as a cutting instrument. With a fixed blade, I don't get that same level of fascination with the mechanics of the knife so I need to feel like it is doing something extraordinary in actual use in order to pique my interest. So here we are and after three weeks of use I would say that my interest is sufficiently piqued.

SIZE:
When it comes to a fixed blade I want as much blade length as I can get without the knife feeling awkward or unbalanced. The Southfork strikes a great balance for me here. Most of my use for the knife has been fish cleaning and and the Southfork has been a very useful size. Often I find a shorter, stiffer blade useful when cleaning and fileting smaller fish. I have even been known to use my military to disassemble small snapper. The Southfork has been a perfect "in-be-tweener" for this kind of work. My other main use has been in the kitchen and though the blade length isn't long enough for every kitchen task, it has proven to be a very useful size.

HANDLE AND ERGONOMICS:
A++ About as good as it gets IMHO. Handle is perfect size for my hand. Works great in multiple grips. The edge is always exactly where you want it to be when gripping the knife naturally. Choil is great and I wouldn't mind if it was a tad deeper to more safely "seat" the index finger in a forward grip. If there were anything I would change it would be the finish on the handle...it can be a bit slick when covered in blood. I will probably rough sand mine a bit to give it some extra grip but this is something that might bear consideration on a knife that's designed as an all around fish&game cleaning knife.

BLADE STEEL:
What you would expect from s90v. (I microbevel with the corners of the brown rods at 40 degrees) Outstanding edge retention even when pushed hard. I've spent a lot of time cleaning big snapper with this knife and if you want to find some abrasive material, look no further. When you start sawing an edge against that heavy skin, huge scales and rib and tail bones you will dull an edge very quickly! I found that after 5-10 minutes of work the knife would lose it's "hair popping" edge but would still shave and push cut magazine paper. After that initial decrease in edge sharpness though, it would maintain the working edge for a long time! I have no idea how long because I have always re sharpened long before it got dull. Suffice it to say that I don't believe I am a good enough fisherman to catch more fish that the Southfork could handle in one sitting. :)

GRIND:
Full flat grind was an obvious choice for a knife of this nature an it performs great. I remember reading some debate (complaints) on here about the grind being a bit thicker behind the edge on the production model than on Phil's customs. I believe that is true. Is this good or bad? Depends. How are you using the knife? Are you slicing deli meat and cutting broccoli? If so, you might prefer the grind on a custom. For me I find the grind on the production model to be plenty thin. In fact, I would not want it any thinner. For me, an all around knife like this gets used pretty hard. I have cut off heads and tails, cut through rib bones and cartilage and I often use my off hand against the spine to push through some tougher cuts. Good or bad technique, that's how I use this kind of knife. If the grind were any thinner I would feel like I had to back off and use the edge more gently. So yeah, the production model will probably cut through less cardboard and won't slice carrots quite as well, but I believe it actually makes for a better all around fish cleaning knife...for my uses anyway.

CORROSION RESISTANCE AND BOAT USE:
One of my reasons for buying the knife was to carry it fishing with me on the kayak. I did this every day for a couple of weeks and ultimately what I discovered is that I prefer my folders on the kayak. Space is a very precious commodity out there and a fixed blade just doesn't feel as efficient in that environment. So after two weeks I parked the Southfork at the house and just pull it out when I get in. As far as corrosion resistance, the steel performed well. About like most other stainless steels on the ocean. You have to wipe em down good when you come in or they will start rusting after a single trip but as long as you give them some basic maintenance it's no problem. Corrosion isn't that big of a deal on a fixed blade where you can get to it. The reason h1 is so important to me is because of my use of folders. On a saltwater knife, once you start hiding away steel in liners and pivots, things can get ugly fast.

SHEATH:
Great sheath. Good fit and retention. As others have suggested, some sort of thumb ramp would be helpful for one handed removal since the retention is pretty strong. The sheath should also have drain holes IMO. I went ahead and drilled a few of my own. G-clip is strong and very adjustable.

KITCHEN USE:
This was probably the biggest surprise. This thing makes an amazing kitchen knife! I had plans to play with it in the kitchen a bit but this knife has actually become one of my go to food prep knives. I would not hesitate to recommend the knife purely on that use!

OVERALL:
Overall, I am extremely pleased with this knife. It is obvious that a lot of thought went into the design and that it was a purpose driven design. It still doesn't have the same "fondlability" (like my made up word? ;)) as a high end folder but like many spydercos it's beauty lies in its functionality. The more I use this knife, the more I like it. It has also taught me to leave my coarse edges alone. On my folders I'm always tempted to "over-refine" my edges but the coarse edge just works so **** well on this knife and steel that it's easy to leave it alone. I would highly recommend this knife to anyone looking for an all around fish and game cleaning knife or a good medium sized kitchen knife in a great steel.


So that's about it guys. Hopefully that helps give someone a better idea of what the knife is all about.

Edit: I just reread what I wrote and I feel like I left a lot out. So yeah, I've got plenty more opinions...just ask. :rolleyes:

Re edited to add a few glamour shots. I've posted most of these before in other threads but thought I would put em all together here.
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I think you just talked me into a Southfork.
Nice job gringo!
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One observation that I mentioned in my op but that I wanted to emphasize is this.
The Southfork is not cheap by any means but aside from my daily fishing use, the fact that I have found it so useful in the kitchen goes a long way toward making me feel happy I pulled the trigger. It's hard to muster up any buyers remorse when you are using a knife every single day like that. :)
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Southfork is a class act can't wait for the Bird and trout to come out too , would love one of phils customs :cool:
I use mine in the kitchen too
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The Southfork is one of the finest knives I own and one of my all-time favorites. It's a serious contender for the "if you could only have one knife" question. I never go camping without it and use it quite often in the kitchen.

It does a fine job on Mojito duty

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If Spyderco and Mr. Wilson ever do get together on a filet knife collaboration, you would be an easy choice to put it through its paces.
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Great review, and good call on the drain hole in the sheath.
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Ray Allen wrote:Great review, and good call on the drain hole in the sheath.
Yeah, the drain hole (or multiple drain holes) in the sheath is a must IMO. Saltwater use aside, I wouldn't even want to put the knife away in a wet sheath. That water is going to stay trapped in there a long time without some breathing holes.
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Good review. I have also found the SouthFork to be a fantastic and very capable design.
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Great review! I've been interested in this one for some time but the price is a bit much for me at the present time. While I wait, one question. How does the handle lend itself to a "pinch grip"? I pinch grip pretty habitually, especially in the kitchen.
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PayneTrain wrote:Great review! I've been interested in this one for some time but the price is a bit much for me at the present time. While I wait, one question. How does the handle lend itself to a "pinch grip"? I pinch grip pretty habitually, especially in the kitchen.
Great question. This is one of the many things I meant to talk about in the review but forgot. :rolleyes: The handle seems to work great for just about any grip you can imagine. I don't use a classic pinch grip much but I use this grip often when I'm doing detail work.
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The handle on the southfork can seem a bit mundane or boring at first because of the lack of sweeping curves and contours but I think it's that very simplicity that makes it work so well in any grip. Sometimes lots of curvy lines can look sexy but be uncomfortable once you get ahold of them. I think this applies to knife handles too. ;)
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Just edited the op to add some photos. :)
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My next Spyderco. I prefer the fixed spydies over the folded, but a lot of that has to do with limited availability and importing restrictions into Australia.

I'm new to the forum btw, hi!
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Gringo, love your posts but this one is killing me. I have gone back and forth but had decided I did not have to have one of these, but now am seriously thinking about putting it on the list of wanted spydies. It is a lot easier to justify if you use it in the kitchen all the time!
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Gringo, thanks for the great review. I too love my Southfork. They are truly a timeless design.......a classic. I gifted my son one of these and hope to gift him the upcoming Phil Wilson b&t. With all the great designs and knives coming from Spyderco, the Sprig is by far, my most anticipated. If I were limited to only a couple of Spydies, the Southfork would be one of those. For me, the Southfork and the S110v mule have that "fondlability" :D you describe. Can't seem to get enough handling of these knives. Thanks Sal, Phil, and all those that helped bring this to us.

Welcome to the forum Spyderoz. Lots of great folks, and knife discussions here. A fantastic forum.
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Great review S/G, I'm sure Southfork sales will go up in the next few weeks :D Joking aside, I think you covered all the bases and I'm glad you took your time before writing the review. The fact that you have used the knife on a daily basis rather than sit and stare at it/fondle it makes your review far more worthwhile. I hope you will add to it as time goes by and you make new observations.

As a side note, I believe Phil Wilson himself gave some information in another thread about how to make the handle less slick. I don't have time to search for it myself now but maybe someone can post that here.

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Good to hear your thoughts on the South Fork Gringo. Great knife.
You note;
If there were anything I would change it would be the finish on the handle...it can be a bit slick when covered in blood. I will probably rough sand mine a bit to give it some extra grip but this is something that might bear consideration on a knife that's designed as an all around fish&game cleaning knife.
For me I like the smoothness. When I do fish, beef, pigs, kitchen work or what ever I pretty much always keep my knife hand clean or at least dry. The notable exceptions being baiting while fishing and when gutting a pig or cow. The gutting being very fatty and slippery. However I find the handles pronounced guard proximal to the choil is a good safety feature and landmark. Once the gut is out, hands and knife are washed and dried, back into it.

I guess we all develop our own knife use behaviors based around what we have and do.
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Johnnie1801 wrote:Great review S/G, I'm sure Southfork sales will go up in the next few weeks :D Joking aside, I think you covered all the bases and I'm glad you took your time before writing the review. The fact that you have used the knife on a daily basis rather than sit and stare at it/fondle it makes your review far more worthwhile. I hope you will add to it as time goes by and you make new observations.

As a side note, I believe Phil Wilson himself gave some information in another thread about how to make the handle less slick. I don't have time to search for it myself now but maybe someone can post that here.

Welcome to the forum SpyderOz
Actually Phil took the time to send me an email yesterday and outlined how to do that! Is it just me or do we seem to get a pretty high level of service around here?? :D
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Surfingringo wrote:
If there were anything I would change it would be the finish on the handle...it can be a bit slick when covered in blood.
This is one of the common points of contention in hunting/fishing knives. Dozier for example makes hunting knives with very smooth handles, but some people prefer a lot of texture even to the point they are checkered and other people just want a large guard as they always use high traction gloves.

When you start sawing an edge against that heavy skin, huge scales and rib and tail bones you will dull an edge very quickly!
Just roughly, what kind of ratio would you estimate that this knife works on fish vs a standard 440C type knife (in terms of amount of work) and do you notice any corresponding time difference in sharpening or difference in how the edge dulls (rolling, wear, chipping).
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Cliff Stamp wrote:
Just roughly, what kind of ratio would you estimate that this knife works on fish vs a standard 440C type knife (in terms of amount of work) and do you notice any corresponding time difference in sharpening or difference in how the edge dulls (rolling, wear, chipping).
Hey Cliff, I don't really have enough experience yet to give a really qualified answer to this. Part of the reason is I've been pretty rigorous about touching up the edge on this knife so i haven't really pushed the limits of how long the working edge will last. Here's one example I'll give though. When I used to come in with a few big snapper and clean them with s30v I found that after a couple of fish the working edge was already in pretty poor shape. Obviously slicing the meat doesn't do that. It's the skin, scales and bones. What was instantly apparent was that the s90v would handle more than twice as much work and still have a very serviceable working edge. That very fine edge (that we have discussed before) is gone almost instantly on either steel once you start cutting that stuff. But the difference in how long the working edge lasts is very obvious. More than double...probably much more. Sorry I don't have better data than that.
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