Will Spydie Factory do SE if I send watch to them and pay?

[enyong112]

I'm thinking of buying a leafstorm... since my SE salt 1, I love full SE knives... Wanted to get a new Para 2 but they don't have the new one in full SE... So if I buy a leafstorm and send it to the factory, can they make it an SE and i'll just pay? :confused: :eek:

[razorsharp]

Probably not, they would have hundreds of people wanting the same thing.

[The Deacon]

Normally they don't add serrations to PE blades, aftermarket. Of course, if the watch you send with it is a Rolex, they might make an exception. :p

Sorry, but somebody had to do it. :D

On a serious note, the outfit Anonymous mentioned and Sal recommended would be your best bet.

[tonydahose]

i think i recall when they did one time Paul :cool:

[Donut]

I asked Kristi if they would do that to the hawkbill portion of my Captain and she said they won't do things considered to be aftermarket modifications.

[The Deacon]

i think i recall when they did one time Paul :cool:

Know they've turned a couple SE knives into PE, (thanks again Tony :) ) but not so sure about the other way around. The closest I can think of is the SE Military Sal did as a gift for Arend, but that really wasn't aftermarket and doing things like that is one of the perks of owning the company. :D

[Donut]

Know they've turned a couple SE knives into PE, (thanks again Tony :) ) but not so sure about the other way around. The closest I can think of is the SE Military Sal did as a gift for Arend, but that really wasn't aftermarket and doing things like that is one of the perks of owning the company. :D

I remember someone also posted about getting a D2 Para in SE from Sal.

[araneae]

That (D2 Para) was Arend.

[enyong112]

Thanks guy... will just get an Old Caly 3 SE instead... :D

[dialex]

That (D2 Para) was Arend.

Indeed. You beat me to that. :)

[spydutch]

Back then I was always asking for full SpyderEdge on every model except the Kiwi maybe. :p

Those knives came totally unexpected. Got a PM from Kristi in which she asked for my home address.
A while later I found a fully serrated Military in CPMD2 on my door mat. :eek: :cool:

Same thing happened when the Paramilitary in CPMD2 came out.

When they made the Millie and Para in CPMD2 they only made them in plain edge for the rest.

So I guess I have 2 VERY unique Spydies.

Thanks again Sal :cool:


Para



Millie

[TBob]

I have to observe that, personal preferences aside, the Leaf Storm is very sharp as a PE and holds its edge very well. I carry one at work due to restrictions there, and I have yet to need anything else even during our recent move. In fact, the Leaf Storm made me very popular at unpacking time! Of course, it never left my sight...

[sir_mike]

Back then I was always asking for full SpyderEdge on every model except the Kiwi maybe. :p

Those knives came totally unexpected. Got a PM from Kristi in which she asked for my home address.
A while later I found a fully serrated Military in CPMD2 on my door mat. :eek: :cool:

Same thing happened when the Paramilitary in CPMD2 came out.

When they made the Millie and Para in CPMD2 they only made them in plain edge for the rest.

So I guess I have 2 VERY unique Spydies.

Thanks again Sal :cool:


Para



Millie

I would like to see a PM2 in full serrated blade. Maybe the brown s35vn one!

[Ted]

I'm thinking of buying a leafstorm... since my SE salt 1, I love full SE knives... Wanted to get a new Para 2 but they don't have the new one in full SE... So if I buy a leafstorm and send it to the factory, can they make it an SE and i'll just pay? :confused: :eek:

Spyderco needs to make tooling for each specific blade. Doing the leafstorm would require them to setup tooling for only one customer which would make it extremely costly. What they have done for Arend is unique, but possible since they've had SE military's and SE para military's before.

[JD Spydo]

I don't understand why Spyderco couldn't have a service that you would have to pay for in advance to customize Spyderedges on Plain Edged knives :confused: Why wouldn't that be another service that Spyderco could offer? If you would have one or 2 employees that would do your customizing work projects such as doing Spyderedges on plain edged blades I would think that could open up a new department that could possibly generate some decent revenue for the company.

And if the customer would pay for it in advance how could you possibly go wrong? For instance I would be willing to pay a nice sum to have one of my new G-10 Ayoob models be converted to SE and I would also be willing to pay extra to have a Captain model made into SE as well.

Hey if it would generate revenue how could you lose?

[TBob]

I don't understand why Spyderco couldn't have a service that you would have to pay for in advance to customize Spyderedges on Plain Edged knives :confused: Why wouldn't that be another service that Spyderco could offer? If you would have one or 2 employees that would do your customizing work projects such as doing Spyderedges on plain edged blades I would think that could open up a new department that could possibly generate some decent revenue for the company.

And if the customer would pay for it in advance how could you possibly go wrong? For instance I would be willing to pay a nice sum to have one of my new G-10 Ayoob models be converted to SE and I would also be willing to pay extra to have a Captain model made into SE as well.

Hey if it would generate revenue how could you lose?

Everything comes at a cost and complexity that is rarely apparent outside the enterprise. Most companies only have enough personnel to accomplish the core tasks, if barely that in these tight times. Custom work takes either custom tooling and machinery, or takes time away from production machinery that has also been necessarily scaled to the mainstream production needs. It's not as simple as just asking for a "custom shop". That shop must be self-supporting, which makes their products significantly more expensive than the line items due to economies of scale. Being self-supporting also requires a sustainable market at that price point.

In my view, Spyderco has chosen to produce an evolving variety high-quality knives at an affordable but not inexpensive price point. This requires a careful balancing act, which they do quite well. While there's nothing wrong in customers asking for new products and services, but should do so with at least a rough understanding that everything comes at a cost which ultimately must be borne by the customers themselves.

[Ted]

I don't understand why Spyderco couldn't have a service that you would have to pay for in advance to customize Spyderedges on Plain Edged knives :confused: Why wouldn't that be another service that Spyderco could offer? If you would have one or 2 employees that would do your customizing work projects such as doing Spyderedges on plain edged blades I would think that could open up a new department that could possibly generate some decent revenue for the company.

And if the customer would pay for it in advance how could you possibly go wrong? For instance I would be willing to pay a nice sum to have one of my new G-10 Ayoob models be converted to SE and I would also be willing to pay extra to have a Captain model made into SE as well.

Hey if it would generate revenue how could you lose?

As I said, each blade shape needs different tooling to be made. It is not just manual labour. So if you want Spyderco to do serrations on a model that has not had serrations before, you probably need to find a LOT of other people wanting serrations on that model.

[JD Spydo]

Everything comes at a cost and complexity that is rarely apparent outside the enterprise. Most companies only have enough personnel to accomplish the core tasks, if barely that in these tight times. Custom work takes either custom tooling and machinery, or takes time away from production machinery that has also been necessarily scaled to the mainstream production needs. It's not as simple as just asking for a "custom shop". That shop must be self-supporting, which makes their products significantly more expensive than the line items due to economies of scale. Being self-supporting also requires a sustainable market at that price point.

In my view, Spyderco has chosen to produce an evolving variety high-quality knives at an affordable but not inexpensive price point. This requires a careful balancing act, which they do quite well. While there's nothing wrong in customers asking for new products and services, but should do so with at least a rough understanding that everything comes at a cost which ultimately must be borne by the customers themselves.

Custom tooling?? I don't get it :confused: They are already tooled up for making Spyderedges>> they make thousands of Spyderedged models already>> the tools are already there>> they just have to have a couple of guys/gals that already have the skill of grinding in the Spyderedges to do what they already do to thousands of knives already.

And the "Cost Factor" I do realize wouldn't be cheap>> but if a person wants a certain model in Spdyeredge and is willing to the pay the price and Spyderco would make a profit on it then where would there be a problem with that???

Let's just say hypothetically that they would start out by getting maybe 2 to 3 hundred special orders a week for maybe 12 to 15 models which are currently not offered in Spyderedge to be made into a Spyderedge version for let's say $50 to 70 or whatever it would take for the company to make a profit. Over time that would add up and be worth their while I'm sure. I bet I've talked to at least 8 people in the past week off line that would like the Military and Paramilitary models in full SE for instance. When you multiply that times hundreds and eventually thousands that could eventually add up.

[Ted]

Custom tooling?? I don't get it :confused: They are already tooled up for making Spyderedges>> they make thousands of Spyderedged models already>> the tools are already there>> they just have to have a couple of guys/gals that already have the skill of grinding in the Spyderedges to do what they already do to thousands of knives already.

And the "Cost Factor" I do realize wouldn't be cheap>> but if a person wants a certain model in Spdyeredge and is willing to the pay the price and Spyderco would make a profit on it then where would there be a problem with that???

Let's just say hypothetically that they would start out by getting maybe 2 to 3 hundred special orders a week for maybe 12 to 15 models which are currently not offered in Spyderedge to be made into a Spyderedge version for let's say $50 to 70 or whatever it would take for the company to make a profit. Over time that would add up and be worth their while I'm sure. I bet I've talked to at least 8 people in the past week off line that would like the Military and Paramilitary models in full SE for instance. When you multiply that times hundreds and eventually thousands that could eventually add up.

i can't tell you how serrations are made because i think i'm not allowed to, but each blade shape requires specific tooling to be setup and i assume that tooling needs to be used in one run to be manageable and cost effective. your scenario does not seem practical, or even profitable at all. it coud also be that spyderco doesn't have the tooling in-house for the blades that are made overseas, so the market would be limited to Golden blades only

and, when you serrate a pe knife, you'll probably loose a few mm of the edge because of the already existing secondary bevel (which is not present in off the shelf SE knives)

it could even be the case that the existing tooling is not suited for PE blades that are already sharpened