sage 1 question

[golddot370]

Is the carbon fiber handle on the sage 1 made from a solid piece of carbon fiber or does it have some g10 in the handle as well?

[Mud Shrimp Moe]

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[golddot370]

That's what I thought until I saw this YouTube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=yo ... N4-L5Vn300
Starts @ 4:50

[Fred Sanford]

What are you talking about? That's a long video and at 4:50 there is a Sage but it has custom handles on it? You confused?

[golddot370]

Keep watching about another 2 minutes he talks about the scales he took off.

[Blerv]

They are cf scales on steel liners. Honestly g10 and cf have similar properties so as long as they look and feel nice that is the benefit.

There is more misleading info about knives on YouTube than accuracy. Still amazes me someone can make a 12+ min video about a couple folding knives. :)

[The Deacon]

Various opinions on that. No confirmation of what it actually is from Spyderco. Could be a CF over G-10 laminate. Could just be two different types of CF, basketweave on the surface layer and a simpler CF cloth for the under layers that aren't visible anyway. Either way, it's the most attractive CF Spyderco has used to date and is certainly more than strong enough for knife scales.

[Blerv]

Exactly. The Titanium and CF rage is interesting. They are great materials but hardly utilized for their capacity in knife scales.

For fondling and looks they fit the bill. In the case of the Sage1 its not even load-bearing.

[golddot370]

Hopefully Sal can clear this up for me. Regardless the sage 1 is a great knife and worth what I paid for the several I own.

[VashHash]

I have a lone wolf defender with similar scales. Same textured surface and then the black on the back. I've also seen G10 that had a visible pattern very similar to CF Im sure there's more Carbon fiber patterns out there than we know of. Supposedly black hawk uses carbon fiber in their sera holsters but it looks like a standard polymer to me.

[zunedog31]

I just watched (2011?) SHOT show from Nutnfancy and he asked Sal if they were peel ply scales and Sal said no. I have the sage and I guess it is a solid slab of CF.

[PARATOM]

im in for finding out exactly what it is. I agree though, regardless it looks and feels amazing and i dont mind either way... still an amazing knife

[Blerv]

I just watched (2011?) SHOT show from Nutnfancy and he asked Sal if they were peel ply scales and Sal said no. I have the sage and I guess it is a solid slab of CF.

Peel Ply has only been done (as of yet) for the Stretch CF and the Superhawk CF. It's textured similar to G10 with a subtle checkering pattern.

[Fred Sanford]

If you want to see what everyone is talking about it is at about 7:20, not 4:50.

I don't have the time to waste 12 minutes on a video. I'd rather know right where it's at....not watch some guy ramble on and on.

[Blerv]

Thanks a ton David.

I highly doubt it's a "sticker" as he so eloquently put. The fact he talks about the strength of quality carbon fiber irrelevant when it has a steel backing. It's not the airdam of a F1 car. :confused:

[PARATOM]

Thanks a ton David.

I highly doubt it's a "sticker" as he so eloquently put. The fact he talks about the strength of quality carbon fiber irrelevant when it has a steel backing. It's not the airdam of a F1 car. :confused:

+1 i was thinking the same thing, well said

[razorsharp]

I have reckoned it was g10/fiber after I pulled my chap apart a few months back

[The Deacon]

Peel ply is merely a surface treatment. I can be applied to both G-10 and CF.

Also, FWIW, the term CF is something of a misnomer. What we call CF is never just carbon fiber, it's a carbon fiber composite with carbon fiber filaments organized into a woven "cloth" then embedded in a polymer resin the same way fiberglass filaments woven into cloth are embedded in polymer resin to make G-10. But, the carbon fibers do not have to be neatly arranged like that in order for the material to be a a carbon fiber composite. The neat basketweave pattern is primarily for looks.

[Appler]

FWIW, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that it is a laminate of CF over G10. Anyone who actually takes a Sage 1 scale off and them compares it to the inside of any old G10-scaled knife (like a BM CQC7 or old Military) and the inside of any other solid CF handled knife scale will also have no doubt in their mind. Also, if you get a loupe, you can clearly see the transition from the thin layer of CF to the G10. In my (fairly extensive in the knife industry) experience, all CF looks like CF (even if poorly finished) and if it doesn't look like it, it probably isn't. I currently own two CF William Henrys, a CF Dragonfly, a CF PM2, 2 CF Microtech Lightfoots, a CF Klotzli, a CF Walker, a CF Caly ZDP, a CF Stretch ZDP, a CF Superhawk. The CF on all of those knives, all different and from different manufacturers, looks and feels nothing like the CF on my Sage I, Chaparral, and original Chicago. The ones from Taiwan look and feel like G10.

If you're really interested in providing an informed opinion, in the absence of a million dollars worth of forensic composite investigative instruments, take the scales off and compare (yes, this voids your warranty). Until you do that, you are guessing. Not saying that gives the definitive answer, but at least until you do that, you are just guessing.

[Rwb1500]

Thanks a ton David.

I highly doubt it's a "sticker" as he so eloquently put. The fact he talks about the strength of quality carbon fiber irrelevant when it has a steel backing. It's not the airdam of a F1 car. :confused:

+1.

It's a cosmetic treatment.

Dudeman needs to turn down the RATM.