Having looked at the test has reflected on quality s35vn it turns out more softly s30v and an edge holds worse??? :confused:
http://youtu.be/q3nfCJtAcLI
what's the problem s35vn ?
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16.66666666666666666666666666666666666666%. Roughly
Besides whimsical division, it's clearly a more evolved steel even if marginally so. If not it would have never been developed. Same reason snake oils aren't still sold by traveling purveyors in covered wagon.
. Plz throw out the above math.The example above lists more variables than data. If you're comparing any s30v edge to 8Cr13Mov and it loses a fair fight I would recheck my initial settings.lychesko wrote:The Deacon //As it is not ridiculous but at me sage2 has completely become blunted when I cut it a grass after that I not so trust powder steels and their superiority over china steel..
I have no direct experience with it, but there seem to be more than a few people that are not preferring S35VN over S30V. It has raised quite a discussion on BladeForums.
As with any steel, there is no clear winner because many users will value different things.
i.e. some will hate S90V for its "difficulty to sharpen" and prefer Aus8. Some will hate ZDP-189 because it is not as stainless as 440C. There are plenty of other examples.
As I understand things S35VN is supposed to be in the same category of edge retention as S30V (perhaps not quite as good) but offers greater ease for polishing/grinding (which often means the user will report less difficulty in sharpening it). Some would certainly view this as a step in the right direction for average users who struggle to sharpen their own knives, while others would perhaps view it as a way to make knife production more cost effective at a slight cost to the users edge retention.
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As with any steel, there is no clear winner because many users will value different things.
i.e. some will hate S90V for its "difficulty to sharpen" and prefer Aus8. Some will hate ZDP-189 because it is not as stainless as 440C. There are plenty of other examples.
As I understand things S35VN is supposed to be in the same category of edge retention as S30V (perhaps not quite as good) but offers greater ease for polishing/grinding (which often means the user will report less difficulty in sharpening it). Some would certainly view this as a step in the right direction for average users who struggle to sharpen their own knives, while others would perhaps view it as a way to make knife production more cost effective at a slight cost to the users edge retention.
Let the conspiracies theories run wild
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Not all powdered steels are made the same. Crucible, Bohler and DamaSteel all produce fine quality steels to name but a few. M390, RWL-34, CPM-154 are all great quality steels. Don't through out powdered steels because of one bad experience is all that I imply. RWL-34 is a great steel and wish it was used more.lychesko wrote:The Deacon //As it is not ridiculous but at me sage2 has completely become blunted when I cut it a grass after that I not so trust powder steels and their superiority over china steel..
As for S35VN. It seems a few issues have been popping up about it rolling fast. I don't own any so my opinion does not mean much, but it might be a case of bad batch, or some issue in the manufacturing. Remember what happened to 154CM and it is a fine steel for EDC chores still used by many.
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............. Carbon --- Cromium --- Niobium ---- molybdenum
CPM-S30V 1.45 ------ 14.00 -- -- ---------- -- 2.00 -- --
CPM-S35VN 1.38 ----- 14.00 ------- 0.50 -- -- 2.00 -- --
The above came from the steel chart in Edge-U-cation.
I thought S35VN was supposed to be a little tougher and less prone to chipping from what I've read here. That's what I remember anyway. Carbon is a little higher with S35VN. Don't know what Niobium does. All else is the same. I don't know why anyone would think there would be a dramatic difference in the steels but I'm no expert AT ALL. Not having used S30VN I'd expect it to be very close to S30V according to the chart. In my experience S30V is a lot better quality than 8Cr13MoV and 8Cr... is no slouch, just not one of the greats IMO.
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CPM-S30V 1.45 ------ 14.00 -- -- ---------- -- 2.00 -- --
CPM-S35VN 1.38 ----- 14.00 ------- 0.50 -- -- 2.00 -- --
The above came from the steel chart in Edge-U-cation.
I thought S35VN was supposed to be a little tougher and less prone to chipping from what I've read here. That's what I remember anyway. Carbon is a little higher with S35VN. Don't know what Niobium does. All else is the same. I don't know why anyone would think there would be a dramatic difference in the steels but I'm no expert AT ALL. Not having used S30VN I'd expect it to be very close to S30V according to the chart. In my experience S30V is a lot better quality than 8Cr13MoV and 8Cr... is no slouch, just not one of the greats IMO.
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S30V was criticized for chipping and not rolling for a couple of years after it first came out. It seems to be doing what was stated in being tougher at the edge. It might take a bit of adjusting to get the geometries and hardness right with this still relatively new steel.
It's still way to early to pass any kind of negative judgement on this steel yet. Time will tell. More and more are getting sold everyday with this steel. In the mean time if you have a good manufacturer you can trust the warranty if for whatever reason you personally have trouble.
You have to keep the big picture in view and it's way too early yet for any kind of pass/fail judgement.
Like any other steel there will be some who don't like it, or just prefer others. That is just part of the marketplace and expected.
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It's still way to early to pass any kind of negative judgement on this steel yet. Time will tell. More and more are getting sold everyday with this steel. In the mean time if you have a good manufacturer you can trust the warranty if for whatever reason you personally have trouble.
You have to keep the big picture in view and it's way too early yet for any kind of pass/fail judgement.
Like any other steel there will be some who don't like it, or just prefer others. That is just part of the marketplace and expected.
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To this point, I've owned two S35VN knives, both from CRK, and have no issues with them. I've cut everything from cheddar to cable connected to my satellite receiver to charred firehose(between cleanings :D ). The knives performed fine and the only time I actually wondered about the steel was after the number of threads popping up recently, prompting me to respond in a couple stating my experiences.
I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, but I'll stick with my real life experiences over someone else' tests and feel most should do the same. I also feel the knife manufacturers should get the opportunity to see the knives in question before anyone draws too many broad-sweeping conclusions.
I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, but I'll stick with my real life experiences over someone else' tests and feel most should do the same. I also feel the knife manufacturers should get the opportunity to see the knives in question before anyone draws too many broad-sweeping conclusions.
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Since S35VN is designed to be softer in the annealed state while emulating S30V in the hardened state might it also have less leeway in the heat treat resulting in some too soft finished blades?
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I have wondered how some can like one steel and others not like it. The only difference I can think of is it would be because of the material being cut. I would understand one person liking a particular handle shape or feel but the steel is a mystery to me. I like S30V a lot and others seem to not care for it. There are other examples also and still a mystery to me. Oh well. I do agree with trusting Spyderco's judgement. I don't know of them to use anything that everyone hated, not even once have I heard of that. Maybe it did happen a long time ago, don't know.The Mastiff wrote:S30V was criticized for chipping and not rolling for a couple of years after it first came out. It seems to be doing what was stated in being tougher at the edge. It might take a bit of adjusting to get the geometries and hardness right with this still relatively new steel.
It's still way to early to pass any kind of negative judgement on this steel yet. Time will tell. More and more are getting sold everyday with this steel. In the mean time if you have a good manufacturer you can trust the warranty if for whatever reason you personally have trouble.
You have to keep the big picture in view and it's way too early yet for any kind of pass/fail judgement.
Like any other steel there will be some who don't like it, or just prefer others. That is just part of the marketplace and expected.
Joe
This I would agree with 100%. Lots of things in life will perform a certain way in a lab under "testing" conditions but perform a little differently in every day life. So, with something like a knife steel it's far better to trust your own experience. After all, that's what you have to live with day after day. :)flipe8 wrote:To this point, I've owned two S35VN knives, both from CRK, and have no issues with them. I've cut everything from cheddar to cable connected to my satellite receiver to charred firehose(between cleanings :D ). The knives performed fine and the only time I actually wondered about the steel was after the number of threads popping up recently, prompting me to respond in a couple stating my experiences.
I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, but I'll stick with my real life experiences over someone else' tests and feel most should do the same. I also feel the knife manufacturers should get the opportunity to see the knives in question before anyone draws too many broad-sweeping conclusions.
Jack