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Manix2 Wave Edition

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Hi everybody!

Today I've had an idea that I think will make some people happy: Why not a Manix2 Wave? I will try it, but I want to submit my draft for your opinion, and if you have suggestions, please contribute and let me know! Please consider that my drawing skills are less than acceptable, ok? :D

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I would vote for a wave that keeps the hole intact. Why not have a U-bend in front of the hole like the factory waved knives?
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I try do draw a U-bend, but is hard to make the back of the blade have a nice design... I prefer to give a cut in spyderhole, but without take off its function. But thanks!
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My first thought is that the hole-wave design will act as a hook and snag the blade in the pocket liner. Just a thought
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Yup, that's the idea. A waved knife has some sort of little hook to grab onto the pocket while you pull it out so that it opens as you draw it out of your pocket.
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It looks like the wave would go too deep and snag and hold in the pocket, but ive never used a waved knife so i wouldn't know if its a problem lol . I agree with dsmegst , i would like one where the spydie hole is intact. otherwise, I love the idea of a waved manix

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Think steeltoe means it will snag it and not release even after the blade is opened. I'm inclined to agree with him. Might as well do it right. A wave is butt ugly no matter how it's done but, if you like them, then that's an acceptable tradeoff for shaving a couple hundredths of a second off the deployment time.
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I think all Save and Serve and Martial blades must have a waved version. Why not Spyderco take my sample of use spyderhole, do a good engineering and design and patented the "spyderwave" or something else? This is an idea that I will like to send to Sal and Erik... if someone can alert them about this post, I will be happy.

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The Deacon wrote:Think steeltoe means it will snag it and not release even after the blade is opened. I'm inclined to agree with him. Might as well do it right. A wave is butt ugly no matter how it's done but, if you like them, then that's an acceptable tradeoff for shaving a couple hundredths of a second off the deployment time.
I am trying to deploy my manix2 fast as a wave, but it is not an easy task. The clip is very tight and just a few portion outside the pocket to make it really fast. I think that I can deploy 1 second faster with wave than without. One second is the time that make the difference between cut and get cut.

Is that possible to cut the spyderhole a little bit more to avoid the blade be trapped into the pocket.
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Look up tsunami on here. There is someone that has done something like this before, but I can't remember who, or to what knife.

Also, I'm sure everyone knows this and probably wants a solution that appears like the knife was made that way on purpose, but why not just ziptie the hole and have a completely reversible wave mod on any tip up Spydie.
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cesar wrote:I think all Save and Serve and Martial blades must have a waved version. Why not Spyderco take my sample of use spyderhole, do a good engineering and design and patented the "spyderwave" or something else? This is an idea that I will like to send to Sal and Erik... if someone can alert them about this post, I will be happy.

Thanks!
Because breaking the "hole" is breaking the branding they have worked so long to achieve.

I would just hope with the interest of the Manix2 they would get Ernest Emerson's blessing to use the "Wave" and pay for the use of the patent. That way they could keep the hole intact and wave it potentially mixing two great names of the industry.

I've always wanted to know if they pay something for the use of the P'kal opening method or if that design is different enough. :confused: The legal stuff is confusing, lol.

What the MBC folks should do (who train with the wave-opening system) is buy a specified waved tool or modify a current knife to fit their curriculum. What you have illustrated is quite doable by any custom knife maker or semi-trained backyard guy with a belt sander.

jossta wrote:Look up tsunami on here. There is someone that has done something like this before, but I can't remember who, or to what knife.
I believe that was a Byrd Crossbill.
jossta wrote:Also, I'm sure everyone knows this and probably wants a solution that appears like the knife was made that way on purpose, but why not just ziptie the hole and have a completely reversible wave mod on any tip up Spydie.
Agreed, if done properly the zip-tie works terrific on most Spyderco knives.
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Being completely open rather than a small rounded hook like the current waved E/D4 seems like it would be more prone to hanging up on yours or the BG's clothing weather you make the stab/slash/cut or not. Redesigning the blade shape and size or location of the hole would be ideal. Just my opinion.
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I like! Endura Wave is by far the most carried out of my collection.
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Just get the waved endura and be done with it. It probably does better than the manix 2 in meat cutting tests too.
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The Deacon wrote:Think steeltoe means it will snag it and not release even after the blade is opened. I'm inclined to agree with him. Might as well do it right. A wave is butt ugly no matter how it's done but, if you like them, then that's an acceptable tradeoff for shaving a couple hundredths of a second off the deployment time.
Correct, my thought is that a lot of fabric will get into the semi-cirkel of the hole and bunch up leaving you with an exposed blade stuck in your pocket.
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Oh no, he's going to Charlie Mike it! :)
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Donut wrote:Oh no, he's going to Charlie Mike it! :)
Hahahah! I become curious about what means "Charlie Mike" and run to google to know about... Many military and A Team pics, and after few pages down, I see this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50628075@N07/5040000527/

I know that to modify a classic is at least ambitious, but my main though is just to make my best knife even faster to deploy, and so useful to its purpose (self defense). My Manix2 is far the best knife over other wave knives I have (Cold Steel Rajah III, CRKT M-16).

BUT (and is about this matter the reason of my topic), how to make it fast to deploy without modify the design? As I told before, Manix2 clip is very tight, and is hard to make it ready for use in a flash. I think you all will agree with me that Manix2 isn't the fastest knife, even with smooth opening.

Could you give me some ideas to make it faster to deploy(please I am do not refer to ideas like "training hard" or something like it)?

Maybe the MBC folks have done something with their knives and can share with me...

Thank you!
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Have you tried a Zip-Tie'd hole? It's like a makeshift wave and reversible.
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chuck_roxas45 wrote:Just get the waved endura and be done with it. It probably does better than the manix 2 in meat cutting tests too.
I second this. Longer blade, better wave, and lighter/slimmer to carry.
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In my opinion, this is the proper way to wave mod a knife:

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showpost ... tcount=341
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