I realize that threads asking for something from spyderco are a dime a dozen, so this is more a thread about suggestions and "public reaction" than me saying "I want it now."
Ok here is my thinking for the product:
It is my understanding that spyderco has difficulty selling their fixed blade models. Quickly reviewing the offerings from various manufacturer's this doesn't seem to be unique, as folders vastly outnumber fixed blades. Really come to think of it thats not very surprising since how often do most people carry a fixed blade with them to work? For a small EDC knife a folder is plenty solid and so much more practical IMHO. That said I still believe there is very much a time and place where fixed blades are just better. Part of my theory for why fixed blades don't sell well is that you buy one for, lets face it, some level of abuse. If you didn't intend to surpass the full strength of your folder, immerse it in sand/mud/dirt, baton it, or whatever else you would have just bought the folder. For that reason I'm not surprised the Temperance2, with a street price of ~180$, isn't immensely popular. And the spyderco bushcraft, however wonderful the pedigree is, also carries quite a high price tag of ~160$. (For the record on occasion I also have been known to walk out into the woods with little more than my underwear and a knife, but I always hated carbon-steel knives for that purpose and would much prefer stainless or if possible H1 but I thought the overall design is good if a bit small IMHO.) I've also found that, when working in the great outdoors, toughness is much more important than hardness. While snowshoeing on the top of a mountain this past weekend (I was stalked by a pack of wolves for a period but thats another story) I found myself wanting a heavy duty spyderco fixed blade which I wouldn't mind subjecting to some abuse. I thought the Resilience would be the perfect size and shape...... but as a full tang knife. Making it in China would also keep the price down, and by all accounts 8Cr13MoV has great toughness.
What do people think of this? Would there be demand for such a knife? Could the price be kept down? (I would think building a fixed blade would be much cheaper than a folder, but I've been wrong before)
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Which is precisely why I said "so this is more a thread about suggestions and public reaction." I know what I want, and now I'm curious about what everyone else thinks.See the trouble is that is a knife that you would want. But who knows if there is a market for that beyond you.
I personally much prefer carbon steel for fixed knives because of the toughness factor.
I've got one in O-1, the original Bushcraft. (oops, not FFG).357 mag wrote:I have been thing the same thing.
I want a 4 inch, drop point, full tang, wood handle,FFG, in S30v,D2 steel for hunting/camping. Benchmade as the 211 actvator and it's a almost what I want.
I'd buy anything with a Lil' Temp type handle including a Chinese made FB with a Resilience blade.
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Afraid I have to disagree on a number of points, but I respect your idea.
I spend a lot of time outdoors and always carry at least one fixed blade. Over the years I have developed a love of carbon steels over stainless, for the most part (I love VG10 and the steel on my Hossams). Can I ask why you think 8Cr13Mov is a tougher steel than, say, the VG10 of the Temp 2 or the 01 of the Bushcraft? I've seen knives in both steels take incredible abuse. And, if I expect to abuse a knife, I certainly don't prefer FFG. I guess I'm not sure and hoping you can explain why 8Cr13Mov in FFG would make a knife exceptionally resilient to abuse?
For me, the bottom line is that no single knife can really do everything I want it to do, at least not very well. I don't generally baton with my Moran. I don't generally skin small animals or food prep with my Forrester. I prefer to think of my knives and tools as part of a system, and choose accordingly. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts. Have a great day, everyone.
I spend a lot of time outdoors and always carry at least one fixed blade. Over the years I have developed a love of carbon steels over stainless, for the most part (I love VG10 and the steel on my Hossams). Can I ask why you think 8Cr13Mov is a tougher steel than, say, the VG10 of the Temp 2 or the 01 of the Bushcraft? I've seen knives in both steels take incredible abuse. And, if I expect to abuse a knife, I certainly don't prefer FFG. I guess I'm not sure and hoping you can explain why 8Cr13Mov in FFG would make a knife exceptionally resilient to abuse?
For me, the bottom line is that no single knife can really do everything I want it to do, at least not very well. I don't generally baton with my Moran. I don't generally skin small animals or food prep with my Forrester. I prefer to think of my knives and tools as part of a system, and choose accordingly. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts. Have a great day, everyone.
i'm a big fan of spyderco's H1 fixed blades... the rock salt and aqua salt remain faithful companions on intense hikes and fishing excursions (land and sea!). i really enjoy the caspian, as well, and would probably carry it more often if it was better suited to wearing on my belt.
i too find that fixed blades are oftentimes better companions than folders for hard use out in the middle of nowhere. if you're using your fixed blade every day, you may opt for something simpler, with less bells and whistles... something that can be affordably replaced, that you won't feel paranoid about using hard, taking on a boat, strapping to your belt in spite of the risk of it falling out of the sheath, etc. for those reasons, i could see there being a market for a more affordable spydie fixed blade. i'd probably buy a couple.
truth is, as cool as some of the higher dollar fixed blade knives are, and as much as they are a joy to use and behold, i'll oftentimes reach for my $15 mora fixed blade when its time to really get down and dirty. i know that spyderco and mora cater to different markets, but maybe there is some opportunity for spyderco to appeal more to the utility-grade fixed blade crowd?
i too find that fixed blades are oftentimes better companions than folders for hard use out in the middle of nowhere. if you're using your fixed blade every day, you may opt for something simpler, with less bells and whistles... something that can be affordably replaced, that you won't feel paranoid about using hard, taking on a boat, strapping to your belt in spite of the risk of it falling out of the sheath, etc. for those reasons, i could see there being a market for a more affordable spydie fixed blade. i'd probably buy a couple.
truth is, as cool as some of the higher dollar fixed blade knives are, and as much as they are a joy to use and behold, i'll oftentimes reach for my $15 mora fixed blade when its time to really get down and dirty. i know that spyderco and mora cater to different markets, but maybe there is some opportunity for spyderco to appeal more to the utility-grade fixed blade crowd?
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+1...well said Rhiney...I agree....Doc :DRhiney wrote:Afraid I have to disagree on a number of points, but I respect your idea.
I spend a lot of time outdoors and always carry at least one fixed blade. Over the years I have developed a love of carbon steels over stainless, for the most part (I love VG10 and the steel on my Hossams). Can I ask why you think 8Cr13Mov is a tougher steel than, say, the VG10 of the Temp 2 or the 01 of the Bushcraft? I've seen knives in both steels take incredible abuse. And, if I expect to abuse a knife, I certainly don't prefer FFG. I guess I'm not sure and hoping you can explain why 8Cr13Mov in FFG would make a knife exceptionally resilient to abuse?
For me, the bottom line is that no single knife can really do everything I want it to do, at least not very well. I don't generally baton with my Moran. I don't generally skin small animals or food prep with my Forrester. I prefer to think of my knives and tools as part of a system, and choose accordingly. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts. Have a great day, everyone.
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For me, the bottom line is that no single knife can really do everything I want it to do, at least not very well. I don't generally baton with my Moran. I don't generally skin small animals or food prep with my Forrester. I prefer to think of my knives and tools as part of a system, and choose accordingly. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts. Have a great day, everyone.[/QUOTE]
icely put. A truth that too often goes unspoken around here at times. Whenever I hit the trail, I carry a moderately sized fixed blade on my rucksack shoulder straps, and a Spyderco folder in my pocket. This gives me options to use the right tool for the right job. When people don't have these 'options' that's when knives get abused. Granted, sometimes you need to push a blade beyond its intended use, but that should only be done when you are in a jam and have no other options. And this is why I'm not as much of a raving fan of FFG as some seem to be. I admire their cutting ability, but not when it comes at the cost of strength , , , the strength you may need when in that proverbial 'jam.'
All that said, when I've only got one knife to carry, I tend to go for a more robust design that usually has a saber grind. Conversely, when I'm on the trail and have a fixed blade with me as well, I then have the option to go with a lighter design folder that may have a FFG.
icely put. A truth that too often goes unspoken around here at times. Whenever I hit the trail, I carry a moderately sized fixed blade on my rucksack shoulder straps, and a Spyderco folder in my pocket. This gives me options to use the right tool for the right job. When people don't have these 'options' that's when knives get abused. Granted, sometimes you need to push a blade beyond its intended use, but that should only be done when you are in a jam and have no other options. And this is why I'm not as much of a raving fan of FFG as some seem to be. I admire their cutting ability, but not when it comes at the cost of strength , , , the strength you may need when in that proverbial 'jam.'
All that said, when I've only got one knife to carry, I tend to go for a more robust design that usually has a saber grind. Conversely, when I'm on the trail and have a fixed blade with me as well, I then have the option to go with a lighter design folder that may have a FFG.
You can get a Moran fixed blade for about $65. Discontinued AquaSalt's are about the same. As is the Caspian Salt dive-knife.
Fixed blades are also more likely to be illegal for concealed carry compared to a folder of even the same length. Large folders have a limited (but special) purpose.
For Spyderco to make a cheap fixed blade of any size for any low price tag they would also likely have to use basic carbon steels like 1095 and slap on plastic scales. The sheath would likely not be a Kydex type but a crappy plastic one. If it was Kydex I wouldn't assume it would be up to Spyderco's standards.
I recall Michael Janich saying when developing the Ronin much of the cost of the knife went into making the sheath fit properly and secure. If you take this out of the situation (ie: drop quality) making a Chinese fixed-blade would be easy. Assume it would be 30-50% cheaper than a Spyderco Moran.
Who knows if it would sell tho.
Note: It seems Spyderco is doing more and more with non-stainless tool steels. I'm hoping they put together a 3v or M4 chopper to compete with the larger Ka-Bar type knives. Price isn't a factor...plz make it :)
Fixed blades are also more likely to be illegal for concealed carry compared to a folder of even the same length. Large folders have a limited (but special) purpose.
For Spyderco to make a cheap fixed blade of any size for any low price tag they would also likely have to use basic carbon steels like 1095 and slap on plastic scales. The sheath would likely not be a Kydex type but a crappy plastic one. If it was Kydex I wouldn't assume it would be up to Spyderco's standards.
I recall Michael Janich saying when developing the Ronin much of the cost of the knife went into making the sheath fit properly and secure. If you take this out of the situation (ie: drop quality) making a Chinese fixed-blade would be easy. Assume it would be 30-50% cheaper than a Spyderco Moran.
Who knows if it would sell tho.
Note: It seems Spyderco is doing more and more with non-stainless tool steels. I'm hoping they put together a 3v or M4 chopper to compete with the larger Ka-Bar type knives. Price isn't a factor...plz make it :)