Best spyderco tactical/SD knife?
Best spyderco tactical/SD knife?
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Let's hope Doc Snubnose will post his list of best performing knives in meat cutting tests one more time.
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Depends on a lot of personal circumstances and preferences. Highly personal and situational. Search the forums in the box above with terms like "self defense", "MBC", etc, and you'll find a lot of other great threads with very interesting information.
In the meantime, a few things to consider:
Who/What are you defending from? Tigers and bears? Drunk muggers? Tornados?
Where will you be using it? How permissive is the environment? Are there state laws to adhere to?
How will you be preparing for the use of the knife? Any specific SD training, like Janich's MBC, or other more traditional arts, like Albo Kali Silat?
The *best* knife will be the one you have at the time.
Which, of course, means that you should buy them all.
In the meantime, a few things to consider:
Who/What are you defending from? Tigers and bears? Drunk muggers? Tornados?
Where will you be using it? How permissive is the environment? Are there state laws to adhere to?
How will you be preparing for the use of the knife? Any specific SD training, like Janich's MBC, or other more traditional arts, like Albo Kali Silat?
The *best* knife will be the one you have at the time.
Which, of course, means that you should buy them all."It's like he channels dead crazy people!"-Brock Samson
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Want list: ZDP Stretch, Original and New Yojimbos, Perrin PPT
My wish-existed list: More MBC-esque blades.
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Want list: ZDP Stretch, Original and New Yojimbos, Perrin PPT
My wish-existed list: More MBC-esque blades.
My Preferences:
1st: Massad Ayoob, The angle makes this one a winner for me
2nd: Yojimbo, a little smaller, but very effective
3rd: Chinook, Nice in reverse grip, but quite heavy
Or if you are totally unskilled in knife fighting techniques, the Civilian/Matriarch design is a great choice for basic SD.
I've heard several warnings about liner locks though, you might accidentally close it on yourself in a high stress situation.
1st: Massad Ayoob, The angle makes this one a winner for me
2nd: Yojimbo, a little smaller, but very effective
3rd: Chinook, Nice in reverse grip, but quite heavy
Or if you are totally unskilled in knife fighting techniques, the Civilian/Matriarch design is a great choice for basic SD.
I've heard several warnings about liner locks though, you might accidentally close it on yourself in a high stress situation.
My :spyder:'s: Tan M4 Manix!, P'kal, Rock Salt, Pink Endura CE, Orange Moran, USN Endura, Bug, Honeybee, FRN Cricket.
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I don't think there's a "one size fits all" answer for this. No to mention that, what works best in theory may be illegal to carry where you live. Then too, some SD oriented models are designed for use with a specific SD technique, and will probably be less effective than a "general purpose" design unless you have formal training in that specific discipline. The P'kal and Gunting would be prime examples of that. The only one I'd say to definitely avoid is the Jot Singh Khalsa, it's lock is notoriously unreliable.
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Oh don't remember where I posted the Best Spyderco SD knives in the Meat Tests...my search function is not working...so maybe someone else will find it and post it here...Thanks....Doc :D
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Doc's tests are awesome and definitely show the difference between blade profiles. A Yo doesn't cut anything like a Delica!
Take that information, combine it with "does this lock seem robust enough to save my life?". I'm thinking less CBBL vs Comp and more Lum Chinese vs Delica.
Then add the, "Would I carry this daily and how secure does the grip feel?
For me the "Best" knife is quite subjective. I would rate the Stretch high on the list because it's easy to pack and has a genius handle that sinks in without white knuckles. I would place the Manix2 up there because the ergos and lock are extremely solid and the blade profile is mean but it probably doesn't slice like some of the better wharnies. If the zombies were knocking on my door I would have a Rock Salt waiting for them first and foremost.
I would give up an inch of reach for a more secure handle or one that caters to my own style (which I don't have, lol). Do you feel safe with a Civilian or with a Police? Does a Yojimbo or P'Kal work for your methodology? Will you carry a Delica every day rather than Chinook once a week?
All important questions, IMHO.
PS: From Doc's list in no specific order here are a few mean blades from Spyderco
(I don't recall all of them but those should cut at LEAST 2.75" deep)
*Ronin
*Yojimbo
*Merlin (Tasman PE should be interchangeable)
*Spyderhawk
*Adventura
*Chinook 1/2
*Centofante 4
*Rock Salt
Take that information, combine it with "does this lock seem robust enough to save my life?". I'm thinking less CBBL vs Comp and more Lum Chinese vs Delica.
Then add the, "Would I carry this daily and how secure does the grip feel?
For me the "Best" knife is quite subjective. I would rate the Stretch high on the list because it's easy to pack and has a genius handle that sinks in without white knuckles. I would place the Manix2 up there because the ergos and lock are extremely solid and the blade profile is mean but it probably doesn't slice like some of the better wharnies. If the zombies were knocking on my door I would have a Rock Salt waiting for them first and foremost.
I would give up an inch of reach for a more secure handle or one that caters to my own style (which I don't have, lol). Do you feel safe with a Civilian or with a Police? Does a Yojimbo or P'Kal work for your methodology? Will you carry a Delica every day rather than Chinook once a week?
All important questions, IMHO.
PS: From Doc's list in no specific order here are a few mean blades from Spyderco
(I don't recall all of them but those should cut at LEAST 2.75" deep)
*Ronin
*Yojimbo
*Merlin (Tasman PE should be interchangeable)
*Spyderhawk
*Adventura
*Chinook 1/2
*Centofante 4
*Rock Salt
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Dr. Snubnose
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You can add the Mas Ayoob SE...To that list.....Doc :DBlerv wrote:Doc's tests are awesome and definitely show the difference between blade profiles. A Yo doesn't cut anything like a Delica!
Take that information, combine it with "does this lock seem robust enough to save my life?". I'm thinking less CBBL vs Comp and more Lum Chinese vs Delica.
Then add the, "Would I carry this daily and how secure does the grip feel?
For me the "Best" knife is quite subjective. I would rate the Stretch high on the list because it's easy to pack and has a genius handle that sinks in without white knuckles. I would place the Manix2 up there because the ergos and lock are extremely solid and the blade profile is mean but it probably doesn't slice like some of the better wharnies. If the zombies were knocking on my door I would have a Rock Salt waiting for them first and foremost.
I would give up an inch of reach for a more secure handle or one that caters to my own style (which I don't have, lol). Do you feel safe with a Civilian or with a Police? Does a Yojimbo or P'Kal work for your methodology? Will you carry a Delica every day rather than Chinook once a week?
All important questions, IMHO.
PS: From Doc's list in no specific order here are a few mean blades from Spyderco
(I don't recall all of them but those should cut at LEAST 2.75" deep)
*Ronin
*Yojimbo
*Merlin (Tasman PE should be interchangeable)
*Spyderhawk
*Adventura
*Chinook 1/2
*Centofante 4
*Rock Salt
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Best one is the one you train with constantly.
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I don't think there's a single right answer. There are far too many variables, like the sort of training you do, the climate in your area, etc.
For instance, I do a lot of kerambit training. Although I practice with regular knives as well, I'm just faster and more accurate with the traction cutting moves involved in kerambit techniques. This makes the Tasman and Spyderhawk great SD choices for me because the moves I'm most comfortable with translate very well to hawkbill blades.
I live in a hot and humid place and lead a very active lifestyle, so lightweight knives that I can carry in light shorts and steel with good corrosion resistance are great, since I can carry them 24/7.
For instance, I do a lot of kerambit training. Although I practice with regular knives as well, I'm just faster and more accurate with the traction cutting moves involved in kerambit techniques. This makes the Tasman and Spyderhawk great SD choices for me because the moves I'm most comfortable with translate very well to hawkbill blades.
I live in a hot and humid place and lead a very active lifestyle, so lightweight knives that I can carry in light shorts and steel with good corrosion resistance are great, since I can carry them 24/7.
Against the zombies and really tough customers:
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or
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Backup:
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mark greenman
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In my opinion, I think the Ayoob is the most effective and practical EDC/SD produced by Spyderco to date.
Here's why:
Originally Posted by Massad Ayoob
Tizwin, the rationale was to get the blade directly in line with the radius bone of the forearm when the average human wrist was in the "locked" position, which puts the middle knuckle of the hand directly in line with the axis of the forearm.
This is what gives the C60 its superior stabbing accuracy that posters in this thread have mentioned, and it also gives tremendously more penetration, because it aligns the skeleto-muscular support structure of the arm with the point (number one), and therefore with anyone who knows how to put his weight behind a punch, gets the entire body's force going directly behind the point (number two).
As other posters have also noted, the handle-to-blade angle puts much more force behind a slash as well as a stab. Instead of the blade "skimming" over the target as it hits hard resistance such as bone, the 90 degree angle of the blade when held in reverse grip (and KEPT there by a handle shape that allows the thumb to lock it at that angle) the C60 is more likely to shear directly through whatever resistance it encounters. Because of the design features, something very similar happens with a slash from the conventional saber or pekal grasp.
Here's why:
Originally Posted by Massad Ayoob
Tizwin, the rationale was to get the blade directly in line with the radius bone of the forearm when the average human wrist was in the "locked" position, which puts the middle knuckle of the hand directly in line with the axis of the forearm.
This is what gives the C60 its superior stabbing accuracy that posters in this thread have mentioned, and it also gives tremendously more penetration, because it aligns the skeleto-muscular support structure of the arm with the point (number one), and therefore with anyone who knows how to put his weight behind a punch, gets the entire body's force going directly behind the point (number two).
As other posters have also noted, the handle-to-blade angle puts much more force behind a slash as well as a stab. Instead of the blade "skimming" over the target as it hits hard resistance such as bone, the 90 degree angle of the blade when held in reverse grip (and KEPT there by a handle shape that allows the thumb to lock it at that angle) the C60 is more likely to shear directly through whatever resistance it encounters. Because of the design features, something very similar happens with a slash from the conventional saber or pekal grasp.
