Little Spyders: Reverse Grip
Little Spyders: Reverse Grip
What's your favorite amongst the littlest Spyders for reverse grip movements?
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Michael Janich
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Dear Sheeple:
Very small knives can be used effectively with the reverse grip by applying them like the Indonesian kerambit (the smaller ones) --basically you cut by punching slightly past, over, or to the side of your intended target and cut a furrow through it as you go. What you need to be careful of with small folders is the lock strength and the vulnerability of the lock release to accidental activation.
The success of this approach depends a lot upon hand size and knife design, but, in general, I'd say any small lockback Spyderco model would work pretty well.
As for edge-in cutting with reverse grip, I understand and respect the desire for an edge-in position during a draw to prevent accidental cuts to your live hand (as taught in James Keating's excellent Drawpoint video series). However, I much prefer edge out from the very start since it offers much more versatile and powerful cutting motions. I've heard some people say that edge in is correct because it's the way God made critters, but until I grow claws or critters carry Glocks, I'm content to let them do things their way while I do things my way.
I hope this helps.
Stay safe,
mike j
Very small knives can be used effectively with the reverse grip by applying them like the Indonesian kerambit (the smaller ones) --basically you cut by punching slightly past, over, or to the side of your intended target and cut a furrow through it as you go. What you need to be careful of with small folders is the lock strength and the vulnerability of the lock release to accidental activation.
The success of this approach depends a lot upon hand size and knife design, but, in general, I'd say any small lockback Spyderco model would work pretty well.
As for edge-in cutting with reverse grip, I understand and respect the desire for an edge-in position during a draw to prevent accidental cuts to your live hand (as taught in James Keating's excellent Drawpoint video series). However, I much prefer edge out from the very start since it offers much more versatile and powerful cutting motions. I've heard some people say that edge in is correct because it's the way God made critters, but until I grow claws or critters carry Glocks, I'm content to let them do things their way while I do things my way.
I hope this helps.
Stay safe,
mike j
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Michael Janich
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Dear Ken:
Thanks for the excellent explanation of the Pekiti Tirsia methodology and your tolerance and open-mindedness when it comes to the edge-out approach. Like any other tactic, one needs to give both of these methods an honest try and find out what works best for your personal needs.
Different strokes (and cuts.. and thrusts...) for different folks.
Stay safe,
mike j
Thanks for the excellent explanation of the Pekiti Tirsia methodology and your tolerance and open-mindedness when it comes to the edge-out approach. Like any other tactic, one needs to give both of these methods an honest try and find out what works best for your personal needs.
Different strokes (and cuts.. and thrusts...) for different folks.
Stay safe,
mike j
Dear All,
While not by any means setting myself up as any sort of expert, I have had a pretty good think about the edge-in issue. Personally I feel that edge in reduces the options. It seems to be harder to make a meaningful slash. Thrusts are not too bad, but just don't seem as easy as in edge-out or Filipino style grip. Finally, it does seem to be more dangerous to myself than I would like a grip to be. Especially in the situation where a lightning thrust comes at me. I may have just enough time to thrust my knife hand out. If thats the case, I want the edge out, so it does more damage to the other guy. Edge in, it may not do him any damage except a bruise, but it might do me a nasty injury. It seems to me that for edge-in to be effective I need to rely on being better than the other guy by a substantial margin, and I hate to count on that. Especially at my stage of life! One post asked if I was willing to thrust towards his edge-in grip. I have to say I'd prefer to boogy on out of there. But if I had to choose, it seems to me edge-out would appear harder to attack without getting cut.
The options open thing also applies to edge-out. I can pretty easily change grips from Filipino to reverse (edge-out), but not so easily the other way round. So I'm going to start in Filipino grip, if possible and change later if it seems better.
I guess I take the approach that I am going to expect things to go pear-shaped, rather than expect everything to go perfectly. Edge-in seems to have greater potential to bite me in the backside if I make any sort of mistake.
While not by any means setting myself up as any sort of expert, I have had a pretty good think about the edge-in issue. Personally I feel that edge in reduces the options. It seems to be harder to make a meaningful slash. Thrusts are not too bad, but just don't seem as easy as in edge-out or Filipino style grip. Finally, it does seem to be more dangerous to myself than I would like a grip to be. Especially in the situation where a lightning thrust comes at me. I may have just enough time to thrust my knife hand out. If thats the case, I want the edge out, so it does more damage to the other guy. Edge in, it may not do him any damage except a bruise, but it might do me a nasty injury. It seems to me that for edge-in to be effective I need to rely on being better than the other guy by a substantial margin, and I hate to count on that. Especially at my stage of life! One post asked if I was willing to thrust towards his edge-in grip. I have to say I'd prefer to boogy on out of there. But if I had to choose, it seems to me edge-out would appear harder to attack without getting cut.
The options open thing also applies to edge-out. I can pretty easily change grips from Filipino to reverse (edge-out), but not so easily the other way round. So I'm going to start in Filipino grip, if possible and change later if it seems better.
I guess I take the approach that I am going to expect things to go pear-shaped, rather than expect everything to go perfectly. Edge-in seems to have greater potential to bite me in the backside if I make any sort of mistake.
Dear Ken,
I've had a bit more of a think about what you were saying, and it makes a bit more sense. I think I understand now how you are thrusting. I guess it is kind of a back and forth motion, which certainly would make the notion of trying to block such a thrust pretty scary. Thanks for your kind reply! Keep training!
Regards, Neophyte
I've had a bit more of a think about what you were saying, and it makes a bit more sense. I think I understand now how you are thrusting. I guess it is kind of a back and forth motion, which certainly would make the notion of trying to block such a thrust pretty scary. Thanks for your kind reply! Keep training!
Regards, Neophyte