Waves

[ronin203]

I know this was mentioned in another thread but if spyderco made more of their models with waves which would you want? For me, my first choice would be the chinookII. :spyder:

[Michael Cook]

:spyder: With that upswept clip point? Dunno if'n that'd be safe :eek: Cool if'n it works. :D could it be made to work with a Yojimbo?

[ronin203]

We must be chasing each other around the forum. I don't think the upswept tip would be a problem, like any other MBC knife it would just need some practice to open safely. The emerson cqc 13 has a wave and the tip is upswept, granted not as much as the chinook. And I have'nt heard about any dangers opening it. And as for the yojimbo, I don't see why a wave would'nt work on it.

[Zac]

In terms of self defense...I think the wave is over rated (especially since I only carry tip down knives!!!). I see no speed advantage over them (nor do I in automatics). My friend who carries an Emerson cannot access his knife and bring it to an upright position in the time that I can acess my tip down Civilian and position myself for a move (not to mention a hawk billed Emerson is turned into a mouse compared to the Civilian). My friend who has a 4 inch Cold Steel Ti-Lite (which is a VERY fast access waved knife) has the same dilemma. Fast access waved knives really arent as fast as training and practice and they are spending more time in the pocket area showing more vulnerbility. Some waved knives leave the user at a real vulnerbility if they fail to successfully open the knife on the first try (this is less with Spyderco given they use a hole as well).

For serious utility...I dont think a Manix or Chinook could be waved without having to use excessive force to open them (one doesnt realize the force needed to open the Manix because that 14MM hole makes it easy). Both would likely cut you on the opening and as said earlier, especially the Chinook. Also, one could cut themselves because of the amount of force needed to opening making the user make a mistake and those are knives one does NOT want to cut themselves with. It may also hurt the structure of these hyper-knives.

For EDC smaller knives...it's cool, but can be very threatening to people if used in the public and a weak stomach person sees a knife accessed with considerable speed.

[ronin203]

I don't agree. I carried a emerson commander for a long time and could access my knife and get in a defensive position faster than any of my friends who practice with their knives. Also, I still think a wave would work on a chinook II, mine opens very easy and smoothly.

[ronin203]

P.S., when I carried my commander I was very careful on how I opened it with poeple around. I know opening quickly with the wave can seem a little threatening around poeple.

[Civilian]

I think it is just a gimmick that Spyderco doesn't need to get into too much. I mean I will probably get one but not two.

[ronin203]

I've got my waved endura on order. I can't wait to see how it works.

[Michael Cook]

:spyder: It's more than a gimmik, but not for everyone. I'm playing around with mine but still train gross motor 2-hand openings when I train MBC. Adreneline can really screw up your nice shiny plan in an emergency. :spyder:

[Dr. Snubnose]

[quote="Michael Cook"] :spyder: It's more than a gimmik, but not for everyone.

To call the wave a gimmick is just absurd.....but Michael might be right when he says it's not for everyone...the wave function in the hands of someone who knows how to use it is probably the fastest opening a folding knife will ever see...that being said I know guys who couldn't draw a sheath knife out fast enough if their lives depended on it....it's all about training...buy a gun and stick it in your draw...think you are well protected? You are in for a rude awakening if you don't train with it....Doc :D

[zenheretic]

:spyder: It's more than a gimmik, but not for everyone. I'm playing around with mine but still train gross motor 2-hand openings when I train MBC. Adreneline can really screw up your nice shiny plan in an emergency. :spyder:

That is a great way to put it. I believe it is the quickest way to open a non fixed blade. The problem for me, lies in that is possible to miss the lock up though. If I open my knife with my hands, at least I can feel it lock up or not a bit easier. YVMV. :)

[Andre V]

I got a my delica and endura waves yesterday. I must say its cool. Very easy to open out the pocket, forward and backward.

Time will tell if its not just great 'cause its a new toy. I must say i dont htink theres a faster way to open a folder. I was testing drawing my ronin against my waves, i think i am quicker with the folder. This must be more from the fact the my pocket is more accesable than my waistband. And safer.

[zenheretic]

I got a my delica and endura waves yesterday. I must say its cool. Very easy to open out the pocket, forward and backward.

Time will tell if its not just great 'cause its a new toy. I must say i dont htink theres a faster way to open a folder. I was testing drawing my ronin against my waves, i think i am quicker with the folder. This must be more from the fact the my pocket is more accesable than my waistband. And safer.

Safer in what way? :confused:

[Dr. Snubnose]

Safer in what way? :confused:

It's safer than putting the Ronin in your pocket without a sheath and trying quickdraw techniques.... :D Doc

[Andre V]

Safer in that when i draw from my waistband in a rush there is always a chance i
can slice my shirt or myself. (its possible :p ) Maybe it hangs up on my jersey or something.. I carry my ronin quite deep in my waistband.

Drawing from my pocket with the wave can only result in someone else's blood being spilt behind me.

[zenheretic]

[quote="Andre V"]Safer in that when i draw from my waistband in a rush there is always a chance i
can slice my shirt or myself. (its possible :p ) Maybe it hangs up on my jersey or something.. I carry my ronin quite deep in my waistband.

Drawing from my pocket with the wave can only result in someone else's blood being spilt behind me. ]
I gotcha now. I posted a pic a few months ago showing how I cut my flank a bit when resheathing my Kumo on my waist. More practice and less fat would alleviate that problem for me though.

[Andre V]

I remember those pics. Ouch.

[ronin203]

I have to agree with Andre V. For me drawing from the pocket is faster than the waistband. I don't have to worry as much about moving my shirt out of the way. And, as several poeple have said on this thread, it all comes down to practice-practice-practice. :spyder:

[Patriot]

It's safer than putting the Ronin in your pocket without a sheath and trying quickdraw techniques.... :D Doc

I've learned to respect my Ronin the hard way :o Less than 24 hours after it arrived, I accidently jabbed myself in the finger. It was without a doubt the cleanest cut I have ever seen, and the incision bled forever.

[Patriot]

As far as waves go, my #1 priority would be the Yojimbo, and #2 would be the Civilian.

It's a little off-topic, but that removable wave on the P*kal looks like the greatest thing since, <errr> the ZDP-189 Delica *wishing I had one*. I'd REALLY like to see that option on dedicated MBC knives such as the Civilian and Yojimbo.

The wave certaintly isn't infallible. Neither does it compensate for constant practice. Having said that, I think it is clearly the best opening method for MBC knives.