I mean, everyone seems to love Delicas. Are 10x more posts on Delicas than on Natives.
I guess my question is not so much why is the Delica so popular, but why isn't the native more popular in comparison? Same price for s30v steel. But aside from steel (I saw that poll, so I understand some people actually prefer vg10 to s30v), what do people like about the delica over the native? Blade shape? The half oz lighter? Native's blade is longer, but aren't they the same length closed? Can they both be taken apart the same way? Is the delica lock better?
Why is Delica so much more popular than s30v native?
I can only give my personal opinion here, reasons will be different depending on who you ask but personally I don't like the look of the native, I've handled one and I don't really like the feel of it either. Also I'm really not fussed over where it's made and I don't mind whether it's vg10 or s30v.
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The Delica has been around longer than the Native, and it's also pretty much the flagship model. It outsells the Native as well I would guess.
Apart from VG-10 being better than S30V(sorry, couldn't resist :p ) the Delica is friendlier looking than the Native. The modified clip point of the Delica looks more "normal" than the weapon like spear point of the Native.
Of course I'm only speculating, but that's my guess. The blade profile of the Delica is more attractive to non knife people, hence the popularity.
It's also cheaper too, or was until Wal-Mart decided they wanted some Spyders.
Apart from VG-10 being better than S30V(sorry, couldn't resist :p ) the Delica is friendlier looking than the Native. The modified clip point of the Delica looks more "normal" than the weapon like spear point of the Native.
Of course I'm only speculating, but that's my guess. The blade profile of the Delica is more attractive to non knife people, hence the popularity.
It's also cheaper too, or was until Wal-Mart decided they wanted some Spyders.
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Hard to base popularity based on the number threads as well. The Delica has gone through 4 generations of modifications, not mention the sprint runs. So naturally a lot of threads will be covering those topics as the features would be new at the time of the post. There is only so much you can post about an item until it changes in some fashion. For example when the announcement of the Native going to Walmart it created several threads on the subject until everyone found a new equilibrium, then the Native threads died down. Until the next big change you won't see many threads other than random new enthusiasts or folks with a question (like yours) or a problem with their particular Native. Meanwhile we got Delica Sprint runs, waved models, not to mention folks are still coming to terms with the D4. But after saying all that the Delica is probably more popular overall, but how would I know?
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I figured there is at least a loose correlation between number sold and number of people buying them.
And about new versions, new generations, waves, etc. That's kind of telling right there about the Delica's populartiy, if as much is not being done with the native.
But unless someone can post hard stats on production and sales, I guess I better retract my assumption that the Delica is so much more popular than the native (specifically s30v version), and just ask this as a choose one and why.
So new title: "Delica vs Native s30v".
Considering the reasons given, it still seems to me the native is more knife/$. Even if one prefers vg10, isn't s30v more expensive (not that this means better, but would increase manufacturing costs)?
Is there something else I'm missing besides appearance? What about the locks on each of these models?
And about new versions, new generations, waves, etc. That's kind of telling right there about the Delica's populartiy, if as much is not being done with the native.
But unless someone can post hard stats on production and sales, I guess I better retract my assumption that the Delica is so much more popular than the native (specifically s30v version), and just ask this as a choose one and why.
So new title: "Delica vs Native s30v".
Considering the reasons given, it still seems to me the native is more knife/$. Even if one prefers vg10, isn't s30v more expensive (not that this means better, but would increase manufacturing costs)?
Is there something else I'm missing besides appearance? What about the locks on each of these models?
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For started, until Wal-Mart started selling them, the street price of the Native was around $15~$20 higher than that of the Delica. For someone looking for a tool, that difference is substantial.
Second, most brick and mortar dealers do not carry the full line, most in fact carry a very small number of models. The Delica had about a ten year head start on the Native, and was selling well, so dealers who carry a single 3" bladed Spyderco lockback stuck with it and ignored the Native. Granted, the web-based world has changed this somewhat. More people get to see the models beyond the "core" than in the past, but it still is a factor.
Finally, some people perceive the Native as looking too much like a weapon, due to the "dagger-like" shape of the blade and the double edged look created by the swedge grind. This may impact a dealer's decision to carry it, a woman's decision on which knife to buy as a present for the man in her life, and a person's decision as to which knife to buy and carry themself in a less than totally knife friendly environment.
Second, most brick and mortar dealers do not carry the full line, most in fact carry a very small number of models. The Delica had about a ten year head start on the Native, and was selling well, so dealers who carry a single 3" bladed Spyderco lockback stuck with it and ignored the Native. Granted, the web-based world has changed this somewhat. More people get to see the models beyond the "core" than in the past, but it still is a factor.
Finally, some people perceive the Native as looking too much like a weapon, due to the "dagger-like" shape of the blade and the double edged look created by the swedge grind. This may impact a dealer's decision to carry it, a woman's decision on which knife to buy as a present for the man in her life, and a person's decision as to which knife to buy and carry themself in a less than totally knife friendly environment.
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Basically most of the points are personal preference. Lock is the same, until recently neither could be disassembled.jlh2600 wrote:Ok, so is a spearpoint any more or less utiliarian than drop point? Or just preferred b.c of appearance?
So far I have advantage Delica: Friendlier Looking...
No definitive advantage for either on:
blade shape
blade steel
handle material
size
price
lock?
dissasembly?
As more folks are exposed to the Native ala Walmart, it is very likely the preferences will swing to the Native as there are more folks in Walmarts than there are in Brick/morter knife stores...and the internet combined. But like Deacon said, the Delica had a head start.
I remember a time when everyone prefered SE over PE but now the pendulum has taken a hard swing to PE...(much to the All Serrated Edge Society's dismay). A few years exposure and maybe we'll be posting a what happened to the Delica popularity thread. Personally, I prefer the Stretch over both.
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I have a 440V Earth Native I'm very fond of. It is very well made and the action was much smoother NIB than any Seki knife. Unfortunately, it seems bulkier and does not fit my hand as well as a Delica. The hole is also less exposed, therefore just a wee bit more difficult to open. That's why I still preffer Delica(s) more.
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[quote="zenheretic"]Basically most of the points are personal preference. Lock is the same, until recently neither could be disassembled.
As more folks are exposed to the Native ala Walmart, it is very likely the preferences will swing to the Native as there are more folks in Walmarts than there are in Brick/morter knife stores...and the internet combined. But like Deacon said, the Delica had a head start.
I remember a time when everyone prefered SE over PE but now the pendulum has taken a hard swing to PE...(much to the All Serrated Edge Society's dismay). A few years exposure and maybe we'll be posting a what happened to the Delica popularity thread. Personally, I prefer the Stretch over both. ]
Not to hijack the thread but, can I use this title for my new organization? Our aims are simple... to defend SE from the slander of those less enlightened about the overwhelming superiority of SE Spydies. :D I prefer the Endura over the Delica because of my larger hands, but given the choice I'd take the Delica over the Native hands down. When I joined this forum three years ago it was all Native, Native, Native, so the worm has turned back to the Delica recently.
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As more folks are exposed to the Native ala Walmart, it is very likely the preferences will swing to the Native as there are more folks in Walmarts than there are in Brick/morter knife stores...and the internet combined. But like Deacon said, the Delica had a head start.
I remember a time when everyone prefered SE over PE but now the pendulum has taken a hard swing to PE...(much to the All Serrated Edge Society's dismay). A few years exposure and maybe we'll be posting a what happened to the Delica popularity thread. Personally, I prefer the Stretch over both. ]
Not to hijack the thread but, can I use this title for my new organization? Our aims are simple... to defend SE from the slander of those less enlightened about the overwhelming superiority of SE Spydies. :D I prefer the Endura over the Delica because of my larger hands, but given the choice I'd take the Delica over the Native hands down. When I joined this forum three years ago it was all Native, Native, Native, so the worm has turned back to the Delica recently.
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:spyder: In my case it's ergos. To me the native isn't comfortable unless I'm choking up on the choil and I just don't prefer that. :spyder:
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i personally love the Native and didn't really think i would. i got one due to a sorta late night Spyderco craving and teh new found knowledge that Wal-mart sold one. i would have bought any Spyderco even one with a girly name like "Delica" . i was very surprised with how much i like it. i'd got a very "tank" look to it and also has the look of a knife that you could stab through just about anything.... [tangent]man i'd love one in G-10, would look even tank..ier[/tangent]. the ergos for me are perfect. it feels ultra solid in hand in both the choked up hammer grip and the downward stabbing grip.
. i was very surprised with how much i like it. i'd got a very "tank" look to it and also has the look of a knife that you could stab through just about anything.... [tangent]man i'd love one in G-10, would look even tank..ier[/tangent]. the ergos for me are perfect. it feels ultra solid in hand in both the choked up hammer grip and the downward stabbing grip."Always keep an edge on your knife son, because a good sharp edge is a man's best hedge against the vague uncertainties of life."
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I think it is because like someone mentioned, the Delica IS a flagship model and HAS been around a long time. It is a fantastic knife!!
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I'm suprised to one mentioned that the Native is technically over 3 inches in blade length, while the Delica is under.
For most not an issue, but in my area (for example) it WOULD be an issue if you were carrying concealed.
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For most not an issue, but in my area (for example) it WOULD be an issue if you were carrying concealed.
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which is why i removed the black coating from my Native's clipCameron23 wrote:I'm suprised to one mentioned that the Native is technically over 3 inches in blade length, while the Delica is under.
For most not an issue, but in my area (for example) it WOULD be an issue if you were carrying concealed.
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jlh2600 wrote:Yeah I was basing my comparison on the fact that the s30v native is $39 at walmart. So maybe that's still too new of a development to see any kind of preference shift in the grand scheme of things.
Where do y'all guys live? None of the Walmarts in my area stock Spyderco's! Im jealous.
I recently bought a S30V Native, waiting for it in the mail. $39 at Walmart? :mad: could've saved a dollar or two. I bought it because I thought it has a really good price for a knife with S30V. And I wanted another knife with that steel.
They both have the same handle material, FRN, both backlocks, both availible with PE or SE. The price is roughly the same. I think that the size, shape and blade steel are personal preferences.
I agree with the TheKnifeCollector:
Really, where do y'all guys live? I wish the Walmarts near me stocked Spydercos.I think it is because like someone mentioned, the Delica IS a flagship model and HAS been around a long time. It is a fantastic knife!!
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