Why the rise in Autism, ADHD etc?

[Ankerson]

Well they aren't the brightest lights on the street so conspiracy theories aren't surprising.

Yes but Ankerson some of them told me I'm evil for being pro vaccine. What are good refutations? One told me the vaccines have brain worms and micro GPS and destroy hearts.

Ignore them, they are nothing more than morons.

Thanks. One of them posted a huge post saying I will face a government tribunal for support of human genocide! I said What?? For agreeing with proven medical science? He said we who are pro vax have the blood of millions on our hands. Ankerson, some of these guys are nuts.

They are really nothing more than complete idiots really.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Yes but Ankerson some of them told me I'm evil for being pro vaccine. What are good refutations? One told me the vaccines have brain worms and micro GPS and destroy hearts.

Ignore them, they are nothing more than morons.

Thanks. One of them posted a huge post saying I will face a government tribunal for support of human genocide! I said What?? For agreeing with proven medical science? He said we who are pro vax have the blood of millions on our hands. Ankerson, some of these guys are nuts.

They are really nothing more than complete idiots really.

i pointed out to him that polio and smallpox and measles levels can be tracked and shown to lessen in number of cases as their associated vaccines were administered. All he could say was that decrease was caused by better handwashing and then he called me a puppet of Fauci lol.

[Ankerson]

Ignore them, they are nothing more than morons.

Thanks. One of them posted a huge post saying I will face a government tribunal for support of human genocide! I said What?? For agreeing with proven medical science? He said we who are pro vax have the blood of millions on our hands. Ankerson, some of these guys are nuts.

They are really nothing more than complete idiots really.

i pointed out to him that polio and smallpox and measles levels can be tracked and shown to lessen in number of cases as their associated vaccines were administered. All he could say was that decrease was caused by better handwashing and then he called me a puppet of Fauci lol.

If you argue with stupid people they will try and bring you down to their level.

They think they are the smart ones, they are terribly wrong to say the least.

They are not worth the time and or the effort.

You could ask them:

If they were born that stupid or did they have to work at it?

[Mk-211]

I always tell people that, social media is the true reflection of people. Or just a mirror of what society is really like.

People now use it to weaponize everything, showing us just how divided we really are.

There use to be somewhat of a debate on issues. Now people square off and wanna go full retard on each other.

[Ankerson]

I always tell people that, social media is the true reflection of people. Or just a mirror of what society is really like.

People now use it to weaponize everything, showing us just how divided we really are.

There use to be somewhat of a debate on issues. Now people square off and wanna go full retard on each other.

The issue with social media is that it is too easy to find support for group think and or confirmation bias.

Neither are good things.

That and opinions that are stated as facts spread misinformation.

Remember opinions are not facts, somehow that got lost someplace in recent years.

[Scandi Grind]

Well they aren't the brightest lights on the street so conspiracy theories aren't surprising.

Yes but Ankerson some of them told me I'm evil for being pro vaccine. What are good refutations? One told me the vaccines have brain worms and micro GPS and destroy hearts.

Ignore them, they are nothing more than morons.

Thanks. One of them posted a huge post saying I will face a government tribunal for support of human genocide! I said What?? For agreeing with proven medical science? He said we who are pro vax have the blood of millions on our hands. Ankerson, some of these guys are nuts.

I told him that I had a vaccine booster to protect from measles and he said there are bio engineered worms in my head now. Lol.

I am pro vaccine on some accounts fundamentally, but not for many that are being released lately. I don't have a problem if anybody wants to get something I think is unsafe, and I don't hold people resposible for other peoples decisions, so if you are pro vaccine, that is fine with me, as long as nobody tells me I'm being forced to take it. If somebody tried to force something on me, let's just say I will force them not to.

I do find many recent developments in the medical field disturbing, dramatically disturbing in fact, and I have been lied to regularly by medical professionals throughout my life, so I obviously have a certain bias as a result. What I find ironic here though is your attitude in general Ankerson. You seem to be always right from your perspective, and anybody else who thinks they are always right is always wrong. Obviously we all personally think we are right, that is the nature of having a personal opinion, but I think it behooves us in a realm where millions of dollars are made to consider where the incentives of the medical industry might lie. I am not asking that everybody share my opinion, but I think we would benefit from not being too sure of ourselves in an environment as nuanced and complicated as the medical field.

That said, I have been called stupid by many a man, and my feelings have never been hurt on that account, so there is no need to spare me now.

[Ankerson]

Yes but Ankerson some of them told me I'm evil for being pro vaccine. What are good refutations? One told me the vaccines have brain worms and micro GPS and destroy hearts.

Ignore them, they are nothing more than morons.

Thanks. One of them posted a huge post saying I will face a government tribunal for support of human genocide! I said What?? For agreeing with proven medical science? He said we who are pro vax have the blood of millions on our hands. Ankerson, some of these guys are nuts.

I told him that I had a vaccine booster to protect from measles and he said there are bio engineered worms in my head now. Lol.

I am pro vaccine on some accounts fundamentally, but not for many that are being released lately. I don't have a problem if anybody wants to get something I think is unsafe, and I don't hold people resposible for other peoples decisions, so if you are pro vaccine, that is fine with me, as long as nobody tells me I'm being forced to take it. If somebody tried to force something on me, let's just say I will force them not to.

I do find many recent developments in the medical field disturbing, dramatically disturbing in fact, and I have been lied to regularly by medical professionals throughout my life, so I obviously have a certain bias as a result. What I find ironic here though is your attitude in general Ankerson. You seem to be always right from your perspective, and anybody else who thinks they are always right is always wrong. Obviously we all personally think we are right, that is the nature of having a personal opinion, but I think it behooves us in a realm where millions of dollars are made to consider where the incentives of the medical industry might lie. I am not asking that everybody share my opinion, but I think we would benefit from not being too sure of ourselves in an environment as nuanced and complicated as the medical field.

That said, I have been called stupid by many a man, and my feelings have never been hurt on that account, so there is no need to spare me now.

Everything is not a conspiracy.

I would tend to believe the Medical Professionals rather than some paranoid delusional conspiracy theorists any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Scandi Grind]

I don't trust any random account that I find, conspiracy or otherwise, I actually research scientific papers and note the opinions of dozens of docters and nurses who had varying opinions just like anyone. You may notice that even the medical community is not united on any one idea. What I find difficult is trusting a group that benefits by giving out treatment. After all, you have told me before that people are corrupt, why not in the medical field? It seems like a reasonable stance to me to tread carefully, but of course as I said before, I have been taken advantage of by medical proffessionals thoughout my life, so someone without that experience may not be inclined to think likewise.

[Ankerson]

I don't trust any random account that I find, conspiracy or otherwise, I actually research scientific papers and note the opinions of dozens of docters and nurses who had varying opinions just like anyone. You may notice that even the medical community is not united on any one idea. What I find difficult is trusting a group that benefits by giving out treatment. After all, you have told me before that people are corrupt, why not in the medical field? It seems like a reasonable stance to me to tread carefully, but of course as I said before, I have been taken advantage of by medical proffessionals thoughout my life, so someone without that experience may not be inclined to think likewise.

I never said they were perfect, that would be impossible in reality.

However if one doesn't like what a DR. tells them then they can get a 2nd opinion and so on by another professional.

People in the Medical Field work for a living just like the rest of us do so they all get paid.

And Medical School is expensive to say the least and it is ongoing as long as they still practice medicine.

[zhyla]

1 do you have sympathy for me since these anti vaxxers are speaking bad of me?

No. There’s not much point to engaging with them.

2 what pro vax arguments can you help me with?

If you believe something but don’t know why it’s true, you should spend more time asking yourself why you believe things without compelling evidence.

I think people do need to be careful about taking too many.

Thankfully we have scientists, doctors, and the CDC to give us guidelines about these things. 99% of the population, including myself lack the background to evaluate data for health measures. A large fraction of the population are too dumb to know this. This is commonly referred to as the Dunning-Kruger effect, though there is more going on than just that.

[Ankerson]

Thankfully we have scientists, doctors, and the CDC to give us guidelines about these things. 99% of the population, including myself lack the background to evaluate data for health measures. A large fraction of the population are too dumb to know this. This is commonly referred to as the Dunning-Kruger effect, though there is more going on than just that.

Absolutely 100% correct on this, the Dunning-Kruger effect is a massive issue.

I see it spread all over my FB page and other places everyday, all day long.

For reference:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect

[Doc Dan]

Some say these are fake conditions made up to make money for pharma and head shrinkers.

Who says this? Have you ever met an autistic person? Who says this is a made up condition?

No. I have met anti vaccine and anti modern medicine types who said that. But most anti vax people say autism and all these sudden deaths are caused by MRNA vaccines.

MRNA vaccines have been used in the USA for 4 years. Nobody is claiming that MRNA vaccines are the cause for a decades long rise in autism prevalence. I think you are making that up on your own. The real question is: why?

No, he's not. I hear or read this all of the time.

MRNA vaccines are too new and too untested. Many people are having health related issues, or worse, directly related to MRNA vaccines, something no one seriously denies any longer. The question is not whether people experience problems, but do they cause, or are one of the causes, or contribute in some way to autism? I don't think so, but more testing is needed to say that definitively. Also, as you note, autism has been on a rise for a while, now, and no one knows why. Science works by questioning everything, even the science.

[Ankerson]

Who says this? Have you ever met an autistic person? Who says this is a made up condition?

No. I have met anti vaccine and anti modern medicine types who said that. But most anti vax people say autism and all these sudden deaths are caused by MRNA vaccines.

MRNA vaccines have been used in the USA for 4 years. Nobody is claiming that MRNA vaccines are the cause for a decades long rise in autism prevalence. I think you are making that up on your own. The real question is: why?

No, he's not. I hear or read this all of the time.

MRNA vaccines are too new and too untested. Many people are having health related issues, or worse, directly related to MRNA vaccines, something no one seriously denies any longer. The question is not whether people experience problems, but do they cause, or are one of the causes, or contribute in some way to autism? I don't think so, but more testing is needed to say that definitively. Also, as you note, autism has been on a rise for a while, now, and no one knows why. Science works by questioning everything, even the science.

From what I can tell the side effects are rare and mild for the most part. That's what the information says on the reliable sources websites anyway, CDC etc. (Have to stay with creditable information on this stuff with so much misinformation being spread around)

However the anti vaccers blow everything up into some sort of world ending event so support their narratives so I would ignore them.

To them vaccines are the cause for everything, maybe even global warming and the economy and the change in weather patterns. Crackpots, the whole lot of them really.

That said there are consistent trials and studies being done on the MRNA vaccines.

[zhyla]

MRNA vaccines are too new and too untested.

Over half a billion doses of MRNA COVID vaccines in the USA alone is hardly “untested”.

Many people are having health related issues, or worse, directly related to MRNA vaccines, something no one seriously denies any longer.

That depends on what you mean by “many”. If you mean “a negligible amount”, ok.

The CDC is pretty clear that the MRNA vaccines are safe and safer than the discontinued non-MRNA equivalent.

[Doc Dan]

I am no antivaccer. However, we do not know the long term effects of MRNA vaccines that make changes at the genetic level. Normally, it takes decades to get such vaccines to market, but these were rushed. I prefer to take a more cautious approach.

As to the problems I mentioned, there are people experiencing sudden blood pressure spikes, sudden heart ailments, blood sugar problems (both high and low), blood clots, and other things that have been documented to have had the onset after vaccination. No vaccine is perfectly safe, but these need a closer look. We already have data that shows that WHO and Fauci fabricated data in order to push through their agenda. This has caused a big stink but no real action taken. This is not conspiracy theory. However, once the bugs (pardon the pun) are worked out, I think these vaccines offer great promise.

[Ankerson]

I am no antivaccer. However, we do not know the long term effects of MRNA vaccines that make changes at the genetic level. Normally, it takes decades to get such vaccines to market, but these were rushed. I prefer to take a more cautious approach.

As to the problems I mentioned, there are people experiencing sudden blood pressure spikes, sudden heart ailments, blood sugar problems (both high and low), blood clots, and other things that have been documented to have had the onset after vaccination. No vaccine is perfectly safe, but these need a closer look. We already have data that shows that WHO and Fauci fabricated data in order to push through their agenda. This has caused a big stink but no real action taken. This is not conspiracy theory. However, once the bugs (pardon the pun) are worked out, I think these vaccines offer great promise.

So maybe another 10 to 12+ million people die World Wide from Covid then while they are waiting around FOREVER.

That and the risk that it could have turned more deadly like the Spanish Flu did, could have possibly killed Billions depending.

1% of the world population died from the Spanish Flu, if that happened today it would have been more than 70 Million dead.

Instead of the very minimal/negligible amount who might have had some side effects.

They did the smart thing and got the vaccine out.

Thankfully they had Doctors and Scientists that are a lot smarter than all of us make those choices.

There is no creditable evidence that WHO and Fauci fabricated data about the vaccine, that is a still a conspiracy theory.

[ChrisinHove]

There is a big difference between a rise in cases and a rise in diagnoses.

Also, I don’t know about the US but for decades here many neuro-divergent or disruptive people were simply institutionalised for life and disappeared from society.

[Scandi Grind]

Honestly, whatever range of opinions there may be, I am happy to agree to disagree with anyone. I think we only have a fundemental problem if we are forced to take something without our consent. As long as I am not forced to take anything, I will carry on with my own business as usual, but if anybody tried to force something on me we have a problem. My only option then would be to respond in kind to whatever force is applied to me. Hopefully this will be avoided, but we got far closer than I would like.

[Hannibal Lecter]

My Dear Friends,

At age 53 I was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder Type 1 (formerly Asperger's). It explains SO much of my life and the difficulties I encountered growing up and particularly when facing social situations. It still colors my interactions, even on fora such as this.

I was born in the very late 60's, but went undiagnosed because even though I was wildly socially awkward, I did exceptionally well academically. Classmates thought I was "weird" - I can only assume that teachers did as well. BUT - so long as my grades stayed up, neither the school nor my parents were particularly concerned.

I think a LOT of kids with similar issues went undiagnosed for decades.

I can also tell you that my wife, daughter, and father-in-law all have/had ADHD. My daughter was the first one actually diagnosed (and my wife's diagnosis came more recently), but you could see the similarity of ADHD traits across them all, and my father-in-1law was born in 1950.

As to what caused the uptick in numbers? I wish I knew. I'll be interested to see where this thread goes.

My very best to you all,

Hannibal Lecter

[Naperville]

Before 2019 I was taking vaccines like some eat chicklets! I was not only up on all of my vaccines, I sought out and took vaccines for things that I had a less than 1% chance of coming in contact with. If there was a vaccine available I took it.

As far as mRNA vaccines go, I'm not sold on it at all. Seems like horsehockey.

We took 3 COVID-19 shots here and my mother collapsed on the 3rd one and was unable to walk for almost a week. I was freaked out.

Are the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines 100%, 95%, 82%, 50% 20% effective, and you don't get COVID, don't end up in the hospital or don't die....I have not got a clue what they injected me with. And nobody can tell me how effective they are.

Unless things change, then I think I'm done with most if not all mRNA shots.

At 64 though I am up to date on all of my vaccines, except for COVID. It's just me. You do YOU though, I still like the idea of vaccines. Polio would not have disappeared without vaccines. Vaccines are pretty effective. But the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.... the jury it out.