Cpm s30v vs. Vg10

[butch]

its all about the carbides adn how they play in the steel matrix

i like both steels but only in there proper use

if i made 3 blades and each had a different use and i made 3 inch VG10 and 3 in S30v only at the middle use would they both avg . about the same

i love how sal has the s30v and vg10 HTed neather is my fav steel for my use (i dont make many folders ) s30v and vg10 tho make great folder steel

clear as mud right :)

[SQSAR]

Agreed, while I like both steels, neither is my favorite. I guess a way of saying it would be to say that they are my 'base-line' steels for production knives these days. I have zero problems buying a blade made of either one, but if I was to buy another type of steel, I'd be disappointed if it didn't perform at least as well (in its totality of virtues) as S30V or VG-10).

I've never purchased a knife solely because it was made of either S30V or VG-10. I have, however, purchased a knife because it was made out of M-4 or S90V.

For the knives I make (all but a few have been fixed blades) I like O-1 and D-2.

[butch]

while i liek M4 im not a fan of s90
and for 90% of spyderco knives i find ether to be over kill (but over kill is waht being a steel snob is all about :) )

and i love sprint runs that let every one try new steel

let me put my thouhgts about s30v a bit differently. i hate it for every thing other then folders and small hunters. see my problem is s30v does every thing good but is not the best for any one thing. need a SS how bout cpm154 eed high ware cpmM4 or 10v extra fine grain 1084fg or in SS abel great tuffness have you tried cpm3v or a more simple 5160

but none of them avg out as nicely as s30v for a SS folder now then im testing the new s35vn and that might be a nice upgrade to s30v but still i dont think i will like it as a doo all steel as i jsut dont think there is such a thing

[phillipsted]

I'm a pragmatist at heart. VG-10 is much easier to sharpen, therefore it gets my vote!

:cool:

TedP

[Donut]

From what I've read is that S30V is a relatively soft steel, but keeps its form because of the hard carbides contained in the steel.

[dsmegst]

I like VG-10 for how nicely it polishes and how well it keeps an ultra sharp edge. It seems to bite aggressively too.

I find that S30v requires more work to get it as sharp and loses that initial sharpness quickly. But it cuts longer and require less sharpening sessions compared to VG-10.

[unit]

I like VG-10 for how nicely it polishes and how well it keeps an ultra sharp edge. It seems to bite aggressively too.

I find that S30v requires more work to get it as sharp and loses that initial sharpness quickly. But it cuts longer and require less sharpening sessions compared to VG-10.

I think this might win the best description with the lowest word count. I agree entirely!

[dbcad]

This is interesting, all seem to be more or less in agreement, maybe that's why the PPT has been clipped to my pocket lately while the Urban or one of the silly sharp delicas ride inside :)

I gave a sage2 to my older brother who is not a knife nut, but for him it will hold a decent edge for a while. I'll have to sharpen it for him when it gets dull :)

[Donut]

I think that S30V having a softer steel and carbides will make it easier to sharpen than another steel that would have similar edge holding performance.

I find VG-10 and S30V similar to sharpen, but I don't sit there with a stop watch to see which one actually takes less time.

[DaRTH SfaRi]

my PPT with s30v jus chipped...or at least I jus noticed it...n I have yet to cut ANYTHING with it...the only thing I ca think is a couple days ago I had it open n walked in my room n it kinda bumped the wooden door but not hard enough to for me to think it would chip...im a lil disappointed but it's not a huge deal or chip

[mongatu]

In my experience, blades of any steel with the factory edge are more prone to chip until they've been sharpened enough to expose some fresh steel and then frequently thereafter they are much more chip resistant. I'm not saying that all factory edges will chip, but I've seen it often enough to say it's not that uncommon of a phenomenon.

[Ankerson]

I like Spyderco's S30V over VG-10, it's good and hard and the edge lasts for a very long time due to the working edge that S30V develops.

I do think if Spyderco ever changes from S30V it should be to ELMAX over S35VN.

[mongatu]

Be nice if they made a few more knives in M4.

[Ankerson]

Be nice if they made a few more knives in M4.

For carbon steel I would rather see 3V and 10V over M4.

[Blerv]

Most people don't understand patina. The masses need stainless steel because they don't read disclaimers =p.

[Doeswhateveraspidercan]

Darn near a dead thread but did a google search and was amused. IMHO VG10 is superior to S30V. It is a little less corrosion resistant but other than that if you give me the same knife both ways I will forever turn my nose up at S30V and that is saying something because corrosion resistance matters to me.

[Daveho]

Darn near a dead thread but did a google search and was amused. IMHO VG10 is superior to S30V. It is a little less corrosion resistant but other than that if you give me the same knife both ways I will forever turn my nose up at S30V and that is saying something because corrosion resistance matters to me.

At 8 years old I think you could have called it a dead thread, to put it in perspective In 2011;
-Osama bin Ladin, Kim Jong-il and Steve jobs all died.
- we had the royal wedding of Miss Middleton to prince William
- occupy Wall Street began
- the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy is removed.

As far as knife steels go, vg10 vs S30v I think the latter is better over all but I’m glad you enjoy the former.

[arty]

I like VG10 in situations where corrosion resistance is a major factor. It beats 154CM by far in this, and work that would lead to staining and corrosion with 154CM won’t do it to VG10 - like yard work.
Theoretically, I prefer S30V to VG10, but I find that most of the knives that I carry use VG10. This is because the particular knife design is generally more important to me than the steel. If I had a need for a very long lasting edge with no chance to resharpen, then I would look for a knife in M4 (or S30V). S30V, or preferably S35V would be my choice for fishing. I have tried knives in S35V and VG10 for cleaning fish and S35V holds up much better.

[Evil D]

I don't see the fuss about bumping old threads. Some forums cry about rehashing old topics when you make a new thread. I kinda like reading back on the old opinions and comparing them with current ideas.

Personally I'd say VG10 is more corrosion resistant. I don't recall ever seeing spot rust on VG10 but I definitely have on S30V. VG10 also seems a bit tougher and definitely easier to grind and takes a finer edge with less effort. These were two of my first "super steels" after moving out of the 1095/420x years.

[Doeswhateveraspidercan]

You know Evil D I think you might be right. I wonder what will happen if I cut up some ham or another salty damp food and leave both a VG10 and an S30V knife sit for a while?

As far as old threads go why not Opinions change over time as do people but not well forged steel! :)

There are plenty of new knife nuts coming aboard everyday and to them it is all new, shame if they miss out on super steels like VG10 because of excitement over the latest CTS... CPM... REX....

I know I missed out on VG10 for a long time due to this.

Spyderco makes kitchen knives out of VG10 pretty sure this is not by mistake