Comparable Brands

[Screwdriver]

I carry Spydercos most of the time, but do carry a CS American Lawman, Kershaw Rake and composite Leek. The American Lawman is a tough knife and while only AUS-8A :rolleyes: is easy to sharpen and holds a daily edge. The Kershaw Rake, imho is a very under appreciated knife. D2 edge, built like a tank etc.

[Trout Hound]

Ontario Knife and Tool makes some good fixed blades. Not quite as nice as ESEE, but still good knives.

[MacLaren]

Okay, how 'bout Kizer?

[Blerv]

I remember back when VG-10 was the best steel I had, and I considered it good. Now I consider it trash. Soon you'll see what I'm talking about. Just wait a few months

It's often the only option which leaves someone with the decision to buy a knife or not. It's certainly not trash as it strikes a balance of everything quite well. It's a still a super steel just like a car with 400 whp is "fast".

If you aren't performing a cutting demo on rope and cardboard any quality knife will perform terrific for EDC. That and if you do a couple white stone swipes every few days it won't give up anything to 110V.

[sal]

Hi Operator,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

[araneae]

Spyderco wins for me hands down in terms of materials design and performance per dollar. Kershaw has a lot of variety and some good designs, but recently I have had several less than pleasing experiences with their import line knives. They are probably the second most purchased knife to Spyderco for me. Cant bring myself to carry a benchmade, I just think they are overpriced for what you get and maybe a little too focused on appearance. Spyderco wins everytime for me.

[dbcad]

I remember back when VG-10 was the best steel I had, and I considered it good. Now I consider it trash. Soon you'll see what I'm talking about. Just wait a few months

I hear you...I like VG-10 and it's a good steel, but once you start playing with Aogami SuperBlue, CPM CruWear, M390, K390, CTS-XHP, CTS-204P, H1, ZDP-189, or even more comparable (But slightly better IMO) CPM-S30V/S35VN it becomes a whole new experience.

For blade material options Spyderco far outpaces any possible competion :D :D I delight in it constantly :) These are just four I've been playing with teasing the burr out on :eek: Also have vg-10, and H-1 to play with also :)

No other production knife company offers the breadth of options and materials like :spyder: The range of blade materials is unrivaled :eek:

[opusxpn]

I carry Spyderco 95% of the time and more than 1/2 of my knife collection is Spyderco. I do admit I like certain models from other brands, like the Mini grip 555HG, Cold steel voyagers, Case sodbusters and trappers, some Kershaw non assisted of course USA made, some SOG I really liked the SOGzilla zytel series, not crazy about CRKT, Buck, Gerber and other common Walmart brands. Victorinox has some good knives but for me they are mostly novelty in a way. Got some Boker arbolito and Boker plus they are ok nothing major. I do like to carry different knives different days like today I feel like I want to carry a Queen cutlery country cousin(sodbuster style) something more traditional. But at the end Spyderco takes most of my knife funds its the only mass production company that still acts like a smaller custom knife maker and I really like that.

[bearfacedkiller]

I remember back when VG-10 was the best steel I had, and I considered it good. Now I consider it trash. Soon you'll see what I'm talking about. Just wait a few months

VG10 is trash? I am not going to entertain such an absurd statement with any more words than this. It is one of the most well rounded steels we have, it does everything fairly well and makes great EDC or kitchen steel. I'm carrying my inferior s30v and vg10 today, I hope I manage.

[spyderg]

Just my "collection" of knives, and how they size up against one another and of course the Spydie's. Just recently got into Spyderco and loving my Manix2 cru-wear, and my Lava. Techno on it's way. I USE all of my knives, if one isn't up to the task, or isn't a good fit for me or what I need to use it for, I get rid of it. These are all in "rotation", My Spydie's and the Brous see the most use.

[Strong-Dog]

I remember back when VG-10 was the best steel I had, and I considered it good. Now I consider it trash. Soon you'll see what I'm talking about. Just wait a few months

VG10 is trash? I am not going to entertain such an absurd statement with any more words than this. It is one of the most well rounded steels we have, it does everything fairly well and makes great EDC or kitchen steel. I'm carrying my inferior s30v and vg10 today, I hope I manage.

Do you know how to read? I said I consider it trash. Do you want to argue about what I consider VG-10 to be? You may consider it great, I don't.

I disagree with you about VG-10. I know how to sharpen, and therefor K390, S125V, S110V, and M390 have served me much better than VG-10. My experiences, again nothing to argue about. These steels hold an edge MUCH longer than VG-10, among other things. Doing "everything fairly well and makes a great EDC or kitchen steel" is entirely subjective, which is fine, but I disagree. I mean, maybe in the same sense that 14C28N does as well, or AUS-8 does, but VG-10 is nothing special (again, my experience and opinion). Therefor, I consider VG-10 trash.

[Screwdriver]

I remember back when VG-10 was the best steel I had, and I considered it good. Now I consider it trash. Soon you'll see what I'm talking about. Just wait a few months

VG10 is trash? I am not going to entertain such an absurd statement with any more words than this. It is one of the most well rounded steels we have, it does everything fairly well and makes great EDC or kitchen steel. I'm carrying my inferior s30v and vg10 today, I hope I manage.

Do you know how to read? I said I consider it trash. Do you want to argue about what I consider VG-10 to be? You may consider it great, I don't.

I disagree with you about VG-10. I know how to sharpen, and therefor K390, S125V, S110V, and M390 have served me much better than VG-10. My experiences, again nothing to argue about. These steels hold an edge MUCH longer than VG-10, among other things. Doing "everything fairly well and makes a great EDC or kitchen steel" is entirely subjective, which is fine, but I disagree. I mean, maybe in the same sense that 14C28N does as well, or AUS-8 does, but VG-10 is nothing special (again, my experience and opinion). Therefor, I consider VG-10 trash.

I know it is your opinion....but my opinion is that you are silly.

[Strong-Dog]

"I know it is your opinion....but my opinion is that you are silly."

LOL. Well ok then.

Or I guess I could say, "Screw" you.

[jabba359]

Do you know how to read? ...

...Or I guess I could say, "Screw" you.

Chill out. You can make your point and still be civil, even if you disagree. No need to be so rude. We're all here because we enjoy our Spyderco knives and want to share our experiences with other people that enjoy similar things, so there's no reason to freak out just because someone found your "trash" opinion absurd. :rolleyes:

I quite like VG-10. But then again, one man's trash is another man's treasure. If you have any spare Spyderco trash sitting around, I'll gladly dispose of it for you.

[Strong-Dog]

Do you know how to read? ...

...Or I guess I could say, "Screw" you.

Chill out. You can make your point and still be civil, even if you disagree. No need to be so rude. We're all here because we enjoy our Spyderco knives and want to share our experiences with other people that enjoy similar things, so there's no reason to freak out just because someone found your "trash" opinion absurd. :rolleyes:

I quite like VG-10. But then again, one man's trash is another man's treasure. If you have any spare Spyderco trash sitting around, I'll gladly dispose of it for you.

I don't, as I said VG-10 is nothing special and I've sold off my standard Endura

[dbcad]

Negativity is never productive, informative or appealing :eek: Relax Strong Dog, please??

[Blerv]

Negativity is never productive, informative or appealing :eek: Relax Strong Dog, please??

I'd like a comprehensive review of why VG-10 is lacking or even "inferior" over any other steel. Best case it would be a sliding-scale of attributes from cost of manufacturing, toughness, wear resistance, and corrosion resistance. Likely it would just be a "It's garbage" post.

Nonetheless, I would be surprised to any reasoned review for why a $65 Endura in VG10 is less than an amazing knife by definition alone.

[Strong-Dog]

Alright, I'm cool now. Sorry if I offended anyone with my negativity, my overall goal here is not to do that so I apologize. I was a little incredulous that my view of VG-10 would offend people, and there is no way I will ever apologize for that.

Call me a steel snob, but I have long since graduated, if you will, from using VG-10. I now have access to steels like S125V, S110V, and K390, so excuse me for considering VG-10 trash. Again, just my viewpoint, doesn't have to be yours.

[Blerv]

There are a number of steel snobs at work at Spyderco and some who collaborate with them. Ed Schempp as of a couple years ago pinned VG10 as his favorite modern folder steel. Since the brand is rarely content with good enough this seems to hold up.

While in a certain format CPM-110v and similar steel of extremely high carbide content will outcut vg10 to the point of being dull (FAR past "hair splitting") that doesn't even somewhat represent the average user. People who frequently touch up their blades, sweat on them, and have a range of use from light to abusive where normalized properties shine.

Your stance wasn't under debate, the lack of explanation regarding the word "trash" was. Because in the corrosion resistance, toughness, cost, edge stability at snob edge levels, and ease of sharpening at moderate angles is being weighed into the mix most of those are inferior to a vanilla wallflower like VG10.

[xceptnl]

Call me a steel snob, but I have long since graduated, if you will, from using VG-10. I now have access to steels like S125V, S110V, and K390, so excuse me for considering VG-10 trash. Again, just my viewpoint, doesn't have to be yours.

I too consider myself a steel snob, however I always try to exercise restraint when voicing criticism of steels, designs, materials, anything. I agree with you 100% that the newer steels leave VG-10 in the dust... however this is mostly in the realm of edge retention. When it comes to steel (as well as many, many other aspects of life), balance can be the key to happiness. The most wear resistant steel is not always the superior steel. I for one love the continuous wave of newer and more carefully constructed steels however I can't say that my new infatuations cause me to hate my old loves. Before Spyderco, I had a loathe for AUS-8, however since using some examples of the SE models in this steel from our favorite company, my opinion has drastically changed.

Bottom line is, approach can be your best weapon or your greatest pitfall. VG-10 does lack many of the great performance advantages we enjoy from the more modern super steels, however using abrasive verbiage like "TRASH" seems like it is only structured to create conflict amongst the community.

I for one would appreciate a more tactful approach when addressing something you have a reasonable argument about. We all acknowledge that the evolution of the industry represents a huge leap forward in the technology, however I can see no educated reason to ignore the benefits of materials used in the past.