Slysz Bowie!

[Studey]

Is the lock face on the lockbar carbonized on the slysz bowie?

Carburized? I would imagine so.

[Peter Parker]

Is the lock face on the lockbar carbonized on the slysz bowie?

Carburized? I would imagine so.

Does anyone know if it actually does or not?

I assume so as well, but...... Looking for someone who might actually know.

[Peter Parker]

Is the lock face on the lockbar carbonized on the slysz bowie?

Carburized? I would imagine so.

No, "Carbidized" is the actual term.

[Studey]

Is the lock face on the lockbar carbonized on the slysz bowie?

Carburized? I would imagine so.

No, "Carbidized" is the actual term.

This again?

No, carburized is the actual term, if the Bowie is done the same way the Techno was. Carburization and carbidization are two different things.

For your edification. http://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtop ... =2&t=64691" target="_blank

[tvenuto]

I have 100% confidence that the bearing surface of the lockbar has whatever treatment/texture/shape it needs to make it secure and long-wearing.

[tvenuto]

This again?

Ha my thoughts exactly.

[Able Dog]

From my experience with the Southard, Spyderco's Ti lock faces are problem free.

As a rule of thumb, if the knife doesn't have a lock face insert, Sal has confidence in the Ti to get the job done.

[Studey]

From my experience with the Southard, Spyderco's Ti lock faces are problem free.

As a rule of thumb, if the knife doesn't have a lock face insert, Sal has confidence in the Ti to get the job done.

Because, do far, they have been carburized.

[Peter Parker]

Is the lock face on the lockbar carbonized on the slysz bowie?

Carburized? I would imagine so.

No, "Carbidized" is the actual term.

This again?

No, carburized is the actual term, if the Bowie is done the same way the Techno was. Carburization and carbidization are two different things.

For your edification. http://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtop ... =2&t=64691" target="_blank

lol. I was the one asking the question, and I was asking about carbidizing.

If the whole pieces of titanium are hardened to prevent wear, and it works, great.

Out of curiosity does anyone know how hard the titanium is after treatment? What type of Titanium alloy is used? and What method of hardening is used for the Titanium? ......and please don't answer generically with carburizing, it might not even be carburized.

I find it hard to believe the titanium is entirely hardened than just the lock face being carbidized. I read the link, but it provides no proof. And it doesn't pertain to the slysz bowie. Hopefully Sal or Marcin will chime in.

[Studey]

You stated "carbonized" in your first post.

I'm not sure why you don't like the answer you're being given?

The Southard, per Brad, has the lock face carburized, or heat treated.

Either Sal or Marcin, I don't recall which, has stated that the Techno has the same treatment.

I doubt the whole piece is treated, more likely just the lock face, similar to how CRK does it.

Given that the knife is being made from the same materials, in the same factory, from the same company, and designed by the same guy as the Techno, it stands to reason that similar manufacturing methods will be used. I'd like to hear from Sal or Marcin as well, but I bet we have a pretty good idea what the answer is.

[Peter Parker]

You stated "carbonized" in your first post.

wow, really, one of those guys, arguing spelling or a mistype.... to prove what exaclty? anyways, you wrongly suggested I meant carburized, and I made the correction I actually meant carbidized....and you argued, again, I meant "carburized" and went on a rant between the two.....when, no I did mean, "carbidized"......There is really no argument there for you.....like I said I know carbidized is the correct term, because I am the one asking the question. Your argument was the two terms are different, never said they weren't. You basically made up that argument for yourself.

I'm not sure why you don't like the answer you're being given?

what arrogance.. because you don't have an answer to give; just a tangent you went on and then a guess, or an assumption on the slysz bowie construction....and exactly why should I like the "non-answer" given. Telling you how it is, I don't take what you give, ever.

Now, others responding they don't know the treatment used, but have experienced no issue with spyderco titanium locks, is an eminently useful answer to me.

But, you then have the need to chime in to Able Dogs reply and "pat yourself on the back" with a "man I'm so smart" reply.... to an argument you made up yourself, where one never existed, to show you know things?.... quite small and sad.

I know exactly what kind of person you are.... btw, a winky smiley face at the end of a post doesn't make what's in the post ok, mr. passive aggressive.... Now, leave me alone.

[Studey]

You stated "carbonized" in your first post.

wow, really, one of those guys, arguing spelling or a mistype.... to prove what exaclty? anyways, you wrongly suggested I meant carburized, and I made the correction I actually meant carbidized....and you argued, again, I meant "carburized" and went on a rant between the two.....when, no I did mean, "carbidized"......There is really no argument there for you.....like I said I know carbidized is the correct term, because I am the one asking the question. Your argument was the two terms are different, never said they weren't. You basically made up that argument for yourself.

Nope, not arguing your spelling, but you said carbonized in your first post, so it was unclear whether you were asking about carburization or carbidization. I'm not arguing which you meant, I'm stating that there are two methods for reducing wear on Ti lockfaces, and thus far, Spyderco has used carburization when they're not using a steel insert. Apparantly you meant that you were asking about carbidization in your first post, which was unclear.

I'm not sure why you don't like the answer you're being given?

what arrogance.. because you don't have an answer to give; just a tangent you went on and then a guess, or an assumption on the slysz bowie construction....and exactly why should I like the "non-answer" given. Telling you how it is, I don't take what you give, ever.

Now, others responding they don't know the treatment used, but have experienced no issue with spyderco titanium locks, is an eminently useful answer to me.

But, you then have the need to chime in to Able Dogs reply and "pat yourself on the back" with a "man I'm so smart" reply.... to an argument you made up yourself, where one never existed, to show you know things?.... quite small and sad.

I know exactly what kind of person you are.... btw, a winky smiley face at the end of a post doesn't make what's in the post ok, mr. passive aggressive.... Now, leave me alone.

Since we don't yet have an answer from Sal or Marcin, all we can do is guess. However, we can make a more informed guess by looking at how Spyderco has constructed their knives thus far. Since there is no information regarding this yet about the Bowie, here's what we do know about other titanium framelocks coming from the same factory:

Quote Originally Posted by Brad Southard View Post

I realized I never came back and update you guys with the final word on the Lockface. It is not carbidized or a steel insert, it is however heat hardened at the lockface, Just like the Chris Reeves Sebenza, or the Spyderco Techno. An excellent way to prevent wear.

I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

(posted by rycen on the Spyderco Forums on BladeForums)


My statement about you not liking the answer you were given is because I was giving your more information in an attempt to help answer your question. My answer was and is not THE correct answer, but why get mad about people trying to help answer your original question by giving you more information? You are being surprisingly hostile to someone trying to help you out, and interpreting my posts to be WAY more aggressive than they are.

I'll ignore your personal attacks, since they have nothing to do what we're discussing or what I was trying to do, but chill out man. Aren't we here to enjoy the knives? No need to take things so personally.

[dgebler]

Personally, I have no worries that spyderco and the taichung factory will get the knife right. I for one love my techno and although it was not a "have to have it" knife at first it has become one of my top 5 spydies. I am super excited for the bowie! I am a little low on funds now after some recent purchases (starting to get interested in traditionals) but I am going to start hoarding some chips for this one. Thanks to Marcin and Spyderco for another great collab!

[Studey]

dgebler, I've never had any issues with my Techno either, I'm really amazed at the quality for the price. I'm looking forward to the Bowie and predicting it could be a Sebenza killer, depending on the price. Spyder-hole, deep carry clip, better steel, and a blade size that MAY be in between the small and large is going to be super popular!!!

[tvenuto]

I may just be crazy, but lock face treatment is the primary factor in my knife buying decisions. Second is handle scale color. Third is the knife's zodiac sign. :p

[Studey]

I may just be crazy, but lock face treatment is the primary factor in my knife buying decisions. Second is handle scale color. Third is the knife's zodiac sign. :p

Agreed! What about blade color though??

[Peter Parker]

You are being surprisingly hostile to someone trying to help you out, and interpreting my posts to be WAY more aggressive than they are.

Really, is that why you edited this post, because yesterday before I went to bed, I read this and its not the same post (the one where I've quoted you from). It was in BOLD, ALL CAPS, and THE FONT SIZE was set to HUGE.

I guess you mistakenly pressed all those buttons, and mistakenly chose a different font size from the drop down menu. It spoke for itself, so I didn't reply.

Now, I see you've changed it and are trying to act like your taking the high road, your speaking to the forum members now, and not to me, trying not to come off as a complete D-bag.

The thing that gets me is, after you made the all CAPS reply, you must have thought about it, and instead of deleting it, you put thought into making changes to attempt to make you look like someone your not, it still smacks of D-bag. But the creepy part is your premeditating a cover up of your true nature and attempting to completely turn this all around on the other person.... the only word that I can think of that isn't a technical psychiatric term is......creepy.

Now, I asked you once, and you chose not to listen, If you really want to take the high-road, leave me alone, its that simple.

[Peter Parker]

I may just be crazy, but lock face treatment is the primary factor in my knife buying decisions. Second is handle scale color. Third is the knife's zodiac sign. :p

Agreed! What about blade color though??

Btw, this just speaks to your insincerity.

[tvenuto]

Agreed! What about blade color though??

Blade color is 5th, behind stop-pin diameter.

[tvenuto]

Btw, this just speaks to your insincerity.

Chill, man, your responses have gotten histrionic. I was merely sarcastically pointing out how people seem to be overly concerned with lock face treatment on Ti RILs. I'm not saying you were specifically, and even if you were, you're not alone. Studey obviously sympathizes with my confusion, and this is separate from your discussion.

Your original post was corrected because carbonizing is a thing, which makes it hard to know that you intended to write carbidizing. I know you may have mistyped, or maybe the autocorrect got you, but there's no way to tell this on a forum. Also, the carburizing/carbidizing thing is admittedly confusing and has come up before, so it wasn't a personal attack.

I still can't for the life of me imagine why we've gotten so worked up over the words carburizing/carbidizing. Spilled milk...

Edited to add: I'm perhaps more excited to hold/own the Slysz Bowie than any other Spyderco previous to now. It does indeed look like my ideal folding EDC, and it will be incredibly hard to hold off in anticipation of finding it for a steal price.