No! My PM2!

[hiredgun]

Thanks for sharing your story. Sounds like you have a good friend though. It was cool of him to know what the price of his mistake was. This situation reminded me of two instances in my early boyhood that have forever changed me to the point of being very stubborn with my toys and other things 'precious' to me.
1) As a boy scout, age 12, I had a big fixed blade that I took on a camping trip. I saved my meager allowance for weeks just to buy it. I even made a homemade leather sheath for it. BSA doesn't allow scouts to take along fixed blades anymore, but I had mine on at the time and I was very proud of it. We had just shot a rabbit and one of the adult leaders was going to fry it up for us. The leader asked to borrow my knife and proceeded hack away on that rabbit like it was a butcher's meat cleaver on a rock slab! After handing back my bloodied knife with a chip on the edge, I knew I'd never loan a knife to anyone ever again.
2) I had a Marvel comic book collection and had a friend at school who seemed to enjoy comic books too. When I told of him of a special edition and rare comic book I had found, he asked if he could take it home and read it overnight. Thinking he was going to take meticulous care of it as I would was my first mistake. The second of course was letting him take it home. When I asked for it the next day, he proceeded to take a rolled up trashed 'thing' out of his back pocket. To this day I have a hard time loaning anything of value to me to anyone.

[chuck_roxas45]

We aren't talking about large lateral forces here - we are talking about tabs on a picture frame. Sure, you don't use the very tip of the knife, but with even a modicum of knowledge on how to use a tool, prying up something that can pried without damaging a lady's manicure should be able to be pried with your knife.

Don't use it to try to pull nails or try to pry with the tip, sure, but this OMGZ NEVER PRY ANYTHING silliness is taking it to a bit of an absurd extreme.

Luckily I have a handy P-bar with my keys all the time. :D

[fanglekai]

We aren't talking about large lateral forces here - we are talking about tabs on a picture frame. Sure, you don't use the very tip of the knife, but with even a modicum of knowledge on how to use a tool, prying up something that can pried without damaging a lady's manicure should be able to be pried with your knife.

Don't use it to try to pull nails or try to pry with the tip, sure, but this OMGZ NEVER PRY ANYTHING silliness is taking it to a bit of an absurd extreme.

Apparently I wasn't reading very carefully. Tabs on a picture frame are those little thin metal prongs? I was thinking of something else.

[Watcher]

Luckily I have a handy P-bar with my keys all the time. :D

Those are sweet, where can I get one? Or did you "make" it out of a larger prybar?


Anyway, coming home work today I passed a store that did knife/scissor/shear/tool sharpening and I stopped in. Showed the man behind the counter the damage and he said he'd just sharpen it until the chip came out.
When asked how much he said "It's a sharpening... So, $2.50" :eek:

He used a flat, spinning, sanding wheel and a few different grits of paper.
It's not perfect (its little crooked) but it's much much better than the tip being broken and $2.50 and 5 minutes is way better than $30 and a week or two.

I can even it out myself on a stone to how I want it. Either way, I'm happy to have the chip gone.

And next time it happens (if it happens) I'll just try it myself on the belt-sander at work...

[CarbonFiberNut]

Apparently I wasn't reading very carefully. Tabs on a picture frame are those little thin metal prongs? I was thinking of something else.

Yep, exactly, the little prongs that holds the cardboard and picture in place. Not exactly serious lateral forces there :D

[Watcher]

A minute on the mill-file, a few swirls on the soft Arkansas, and a minute or two on the hard Arkansas.



More even side/side, a little more relief edge, will cut paper but wont really pop hair (good enough for a utility blade), but NO MORE CHIP! :D


Could have been a lot worse I guess.

[Buck Knives I Like]

Just don't be as nice next time

[Watcher]

Yeah. Mayble I'll just donate the cheap Remington knife I keep in my glove-box. I have a better Kershaw living in the truck anyway.

[chuck_roxas45]

A minute on the mill-file, a few swirls on the soft Arkansas, and a minute or two on the hard Arkansas.



More even side/side, a little more relief edge, will cut paper but wont really pop hair (good enough for a utility blade), but NO MORE CHIP! :D


Could have been a lot worse I guess.

Lmao! Sorry dude.but that looks ridiculous. I once broke the tip on my orange millie cutting tire sidewalls out at the range. I dropped the spine a bit and sharpened up.

Those are sweet, where can I get one? Or did you "make" it out of a larger prybar?

A member here and a friend, PolarL, made those of of Ti for me. The XL P-bar, he made for me while I was constructing my house.

[arjay18]

A minute on the mill-file, a few swirls on the soft Arkansas, and a minute or two on the hard Arkansas.



More even side/side, a little more relief edge, will cut paper but wont really pop hair (good enough for a utility blade), but NO MORE CHIP! :D


Could have been a lot worse I guess.

Sorry to say that he took off way too much metal and you lost the pointy tip. Never ever use a power tool to sharpen a knife and having it done by someone who does not know the value of the knife is even worse cause they'll screw it up 9 times out of 10. I bet someone here that has an edge pro could have done better for the price of shipping.

[Watcher]

Yeah.

I was initially happier with it. I'll have to see if I can get a better point on it or just send it in to SC.


What the ****, I'm only out $5 and the broken tip is gone...



I'd rather not drop the spine on it, but it looks like quite a bit of material would have to come off the blade edge to bring the point back. Any suggestions for a DIY?

[CarbonFiberNut]

Never ever use a power tool to sharpen a knife and

Most knife manufacturers sharpen on power tools. It takes some skill, but saying "never ever" is a bit extreme, especially for the many of us who have dedicated 1x30 or 1x40 belt sanding rigs that we use exclusively for sharpening.

[kbuzbee]

Most knife manufacturers sharpen on power tools. It takes some skill, but saying "never ever" is a bit extreme, especially for the many of us who have dedicated 1x30 or 1x40 belt sanding rigs that we use exclusively for sharpening.

You're right, of course BUT, folks who can do this (hopefully) know what they are doing. I have no issue with general advice being "never, ever sharpen with power tools" You can do way more damage than good in very short order.

If your skills are to the point that sharpening on a belt sander is something you want to consider, you'll probably know it. OTOH, someone sharpening their first knife who isn't making any progress after 100 strokes could easily say "hey, I have a Dremmel out in the garage, I bet that would be much faster"

Let them get to this point organically, knowing it is something you don't approach casually. Especially on a really nice knife as a first pass 'let's see how this goes?'

Ken

[CarbonFiberNut]

Let them get to this point organically, knowing it is something you don't approach casually. Especially on a really nice knife as a first pass 'let's see how this goes?'

You're definitely correct, but I've been outright attacked and accused of destroying a good knife by "knife newbies" on internet forums like Reddit, who have had the "never use power tools" mantra beaten into their heads. The problem with absolutes is that people latch onto them, and then assume that anybody who violates those cardinal rules is an idiot. I find it's best to at least plant the seed that there is something more there, but that it's an advanced topic that you should avoid until you learn more.

I took the same approach when I taught college physics - you'd be amazed at how many people come into those classes with insane misconceptions about how the world works, because rather than saying "this is a simplified version that we stick with now because it's more approachable", their high school physics teachers had beaten it into their heads that friction is always independent of contact area, no matter what, or that "centrifugal force" isn't a thing that exists. They miss all the subtleties, and worse yet, they actively discourage the student from even considering that those subtleties could exist, and then my job as a college-level educator was made much harder.

Sorry for the huge tangent, but that's why I always try to err on the side of acknowledging that situations are rarely as simple as they are presented at first glance.

[kbuzbee]

Sorry for the huge tangent, but that's why I always try to err on the side of acknowledging that situations are rarely as simple as they are presented at first glance.

It's a good point. I remember MY subtitle for P Chem in college. "every thing you've ever learned about chemistry is wrong, or at best an approximation."

I think the biggest difference here is formal education versus self styled education via the Internet, friends etc. But still, you raise a good point. I'm sorry you've been the victim of the over zealous, under educated.

Ken

[endgame]

You should have sent it back to have golden do it.they did such a great job on mine the blade is smaller but you can only tell if you put a brand new one next to it.mine was also worse then youres.but now I have that supper point and a perfect but a little smaller pm2 blade.

[arjay18]

Most knife manufacturers sharpen on power tools. It takes some skill, but saying "never ever" is a bit extreme, especially for the many of us who have dedicated 1x30 or 1x40 belt sanding rigs that we use exclusively for sharpening.

Good point! I'm sorry for the blanket statement and thanks for bringing that up. My idea was that most people, including me, does not have the needed skills to sharpen with power tools. Playing with sharp things and power tools is not only dangerous for the knife but also to the user.