Is Spyderco getting to loose on their detents?

[dbcad]

wow, why do people get so bent out of shape over nothing? I wasnt bashing Spyderco. All I asked was if people were seeing weaker detents and also my own opinion about the seeming obsessions with blade deployment speeds. I have owned at least 12 different Spyderco models all having varying degrees of blade retention but also was wondering if it depends on the model and intended purpose of a particular model or if after reading the numerous threads and such about it since it seems to be of particular importance to some if Spyderco was trying to favor that large consumer base by lessening the required force to overcome detents.

A large part of the misunderstandings that occur with Internet communication is the immature way many folks approach the written word online :eek:

When you post a thread saying "Other people say Spyderco detents aren't strong enough" It would serve you well to have your evidence in hand and arguments laid out. I always welcome a good sincere argument about differences of opinion :)

From what I read these other "folks" from other places just want to sample the superior blade materials but are scared to because of their loyalty to another brand

[Knifeaddict]

Maturity hmmm I think I see now

I have to say I didnt realize the level of snobbiness I would find here at the exclusive Spyderco Forums. Had I know the level of maturity and culturedness required I never would have registered. Please excuse me if I make any grammatical or spelling errors. I know also how a run on sentence can be oh so dreadfully boring.

Before making any statements in the future I will be sure to thoroughly research and contemplate every word before placing it in such a pristine environment. I will also include footnotes and place a source directory at the end.

Of course bashing of other neanderthals in those "other" forums is always allowed here at SF . why I would dare say they probably think knives should still be made of stone or flint or some such dreadful thing.

i will work on extending my pinky and raising my elongated upswept aristocratic nose in the future and work on my maturity levels also in between being a 45 year old adult with a mortgage and a chidren to feed and cloth .

You people need to get a life honestly. I come on here for some entertainment and maybe a little information .

[Evil D]

Well that was a good way of handling it.

[Blerv]

You would get more information and camaraderie by asking earnest questions. Pushing wild speculation via a few testimonies isn't the path towards learning.

I don't think anyone here is expecting a survey of 1000 knives with a 51% dissatisfied result. They just expect...something.

How many knives aren't up to your standards? One, two, a dozen? Can you elaborate, backpedal, rephrase or otherwise save the thread? For goodness sake at least reference a thread while perhaps not a direct link.

If not keep posturing. It usually works out great.

[TekNyc]

Off topic here...nice pocket clip on the Millie. WHered you get it?

[peacefuljeffrey]

This is why I love the Manixes ... no worries about some silly detent and how securely it holds the knife closed. That good old BBL is nice and secure!

[Evil D]

This is why I love the Manixes ... no worries about some silly detent and how securely it holds the knife closed. That good old BBL is nice and secure!

I'm pretty sure I read some griping about it too in the thread in question. Can't please everyone.

[BAL]

Maturity hmmm I think I see now

I have to say I didnt realize the level of snobbiness I would find here at the exclusive Spyderco Forums. Had I know the level of maturity and culturedness required I never would have registered. Please excuse me if I make any grammatical or spelling errors. I know also how a run on sentence can be oh so dreadfully boring.

Before making any statements in the future I will be sure to thoroughly research and contemplate every word before placing it in such a pristine environment. I will also include footnotes and place a source directory at the end.

Of course bashing of other neanderthals in those "other" forums is always allowed here at SF . why I would dare say they probably think knives should still be made of stone or flint or some such dreadful thing.

i will work on extending my pinky and raising my elongated upswept aristocratic nose in the future and work on my maturity levels also in between being a 45 year old adult with a mortgage and a chidren to feed and cloth .

You people need to get a life honestly. I come on here for some entertainment and maybe a little information .

There are some good discussions on here about different things and a different viewpoint is always welcome.
I find it very interesting and breaks up the monotony of typical thread about "hey look what just came in the mail".

I love to join in on an ernest discussion about whatever if it is a topic that interests me and one that I might have a
little bit of knowledge. Most on here are similar. I have been in "warm" discussions on a knife topic with people that
I respect and admire and would consider a friend. After a discussion about a lock or steel time etc, we might go back
to slapping each other on the back about the new knife that we both want.


You did start your thread with the word IS, meaning that your were asking if Spyderco was loosing the detents, which is a question and makes sense to ask.

However, the tone seemed to change where you seemed to have already made the decision that it was intentional by Spyderco and that they were getting less strict with their standards to impress their junior high friends. And then commenting that Spyderco might be falling prey to this nonsense ...

I think that it was the general tone that I personally took a bit of offense to. I admit and I have said countless times on here that you can't tell what a person means by just their words, but that's all that you have to go on initially.

I can tell you that I have bought many Spyderco knives and will continue to until they burying me six feet down and don't have an issue with the detents. I have read most threads on here for the past few years and don't recall hearing any news of this either.

I don't care what others are saying on other forums that might have an agenda to push. I can tell you though that Spyderco has not and never will loosen their standards to please anyone. That is why so many are so passonate and sometimes take offense when an accusation is made without some additional information.

Now if there is some information other than bs from another forum then I'll join in on the discussion. Not to bash anyone on another forum, many on here are part of those forums, but again, there are some with certain agendas to push.

It's all good man. Take care.

[The Deacon]

I strongly suspect that a particular thread on BladeForums was the primary reason for this one. I've watched the video in that one and, assuming it's legitimate, can say for a fact that the blade retention demonstrated in it would not be acceptable to me.

What's unknown is:

How the knife was treated prior to the video being made. Even if blade retention was weak "straight out of the box", the fact that any knife is purchased from a dealer does not preclude it having been sold, tinkered with, returned, and resold.

Whether the note which the person who purchased that PM2 sent with it to Spyderco W&R explained their problem/concern with it.

Spyderco's actual response.

[GTPowers]

Knock knock.
Who is there?
The Spyderco Tuff
The Spyderco Tuff, who?
The Spyderco Tuff is tuff to open.
:confused:

[chuck_roxas45]

You would get more information and camaraderie by asking earnest questions. Pushing wild speculation via a few testimonies isn't the path towards learning.

I don't think anyone here is expecting a survey of 1000 knives with a 51% dissatisfied result. They just expect...something.

How many knives aren't up to your standards? One, two, a dozen? Can you elaborate, backpedal, rephrase or otherwise save the thread? For goodness sake at least reference a thread while perhaps not a direct link.

If not keep posturing. It usually works out great.

Yep, when I strike my pose, I usually get good results.

[78lilred]

You people need to get a life honestly. I come on here for some entertainment and maybe a little information .

How mad are you? Most people come here for information first and entertainment second.

[Knifeaddict]

No No No No

You are all completely misunderstandiing.

Listen i know on every forum you get people who come on and complain about a knife or whatever. Then you get the fanboys who tell the person they are full of crap and maybe they OP has a post count under 100 so they discredit him. Then the tough guys come on and say "send it back and stop crying you big baby" and if you dont like it then shutup and stop buying them or something akin to this.

I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT A KNIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen in a cpl or three threads comments about detents. I have also noticed over the years on a few Spydercos that the detents are very light. Is it better that I use the word light instead of weak? Does the word weak hit some poeple in their fragile egos ?

I made a cpl offhand comments about junior high kids and mulch ninjas (Not Mall Ninjas) and now I am being brought to school by some keyboard warriors.

what I do know for a fact is there is a group on every forum who sits in front of their computer all day and night just waiting to call someone out on something . then they get to show off their superior intellect and "set the matter straight " in front of all .

Job well done keyboard superheroes. Now yell "Up, Up and awaaaay!!!" and set your red satin cape fluttering behind you in the wind.

I am done with this thread and could care less anymore so you all continue to bicker about every verb , adjective and noun I used in the OP until the next offense is perceived by someone

unbelievable

[CarbonFiberNut]

People call you out about immature ranting and attacks, your response is more ranting and attacks. There's a keyboard warrior here, alright, but I think you're mistaken as to who it might be.

[chuck_roxas45]

It seems somebody can't take a different opinion...

and a little ribbing...

You shudda used the form.

[jackknifeh]

Just a personal preference on the safety portion of this subject. I also prefer (need) safety more than I do speed or ease of opening. When I first got my Manix2 I was BLOWN AWAY at how the blade would literally fall when I pulled the lock buttons back and yet when it is locked open it is as solid a knife I've held with no blade play in any direction. The engineering and manufacturing is about as perfect as there is. Unless you are building a space shuttle or something. :) I tighten all of my pivots to where when I release the lock with the knife held in the horizontal position the blade won't freely fall down. Some will sort of glide down, other's require a tiny bit of pressure with a wrist flick or my index finger pushing on the spine. I can "fick" the blade open on all of them but don't have a need and there is a chance of slipping and cutting myself if I "just do it". When I want to flick it open I always try to take the time to ensure my thumb is positioned perfect because when doing it REALLY FAST I've almost cut my thumb a couple of times. Anyway, I LOVE Spyderco's drive for manufacturing excellence so I can adjust my knives to the tension I desire. Free flowing blade or one with some resistance I can have that also.

I only had one knife that had a problem. My Sage4 had a bad spring allowing it to expose the tip about 1/4" when it should stay closed. This issue was taken care of but didn't have anything to do with the type of knives requiring a detent.

[Evil D]

The best part is, take the knife apart and bend the lock tab out some and the detention pressure is increased. Couldn't be more simple. You only need to worry about a warranty on a defective knife and that Para 2 is not defective. I wonder if I can buy it cheap since it's such a piece of crap?

[Jazz]

Well, my black blade Milli and Para 1 are pretty weak, which freaks me out, but they aren't newer models. Could be just me, but I want the knife to stay closed until I open it. I got rid of my original Manix because the spring didn't hold the blade in as strong as I'd like it. That's not to say Spyderco is going bad - just a few I wasn't comfortable with personally.

[Blerv]

Ultimately I don't expect the goal of a detent is ever low detent pressure. For that reason a knife that feels too loose should be sent int to the Warranty & Repair department. In the Jazz's situation it seems this was the case (flawed good) or simply personal preference. Either way, a mature response.

Ever buy something that wasn't right from the factory? I've purchased cars like that and spent WAY more on them than the price of a folding knife. I just assumed the problem was either assembly or part related, two situations that come from a less than perfect world. Two situations which can easily be rectified by a mature person who brings the product to a licensed repair facility.

Given the nature of this thread I should have assumed the maker intended to release flawed goods in efforts and sell more fluid services and air filters.

[BAL]

No No No No

You are all completely misunderstandiing.

Listen i know on every forum you get people who come on and complain about a knife or whatever. Then you get the fanboys who tell the person they are full of crap and maybe they OP has a post count under 100 so they discredit him. Then the tough guys come on and say "send it back and stop crying you big baby" and if you dont like it then shutup and stop buying them or something akin to this.

I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT A KNIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen in a cpl or three threads comments about detents. I have also noticed over the years on a few Spydercos that the detents are very light. Is it better that I use the word light instead of weak? Does the word weak hit some poeple in their fragile egos ?

I made a cpl offhand comments about junior high kids and mulch ninjas (Not Mall Ninjas) and now I am being brought to school by some keyboard warriors.

what I do know for a fact is there is a group on every forum who sits in front of their computer all day and night just waiting to call someone out on something . then they get to show off their superior intellect and "set the matter straight " in front of all .

Job well done keyboard superheroes. Now yell "Up, Up and awaaaay!!!" and set your red satin cape fluttering behind you in the wind.

I am done with this thread and could care less anymore so you all continue to bicker about every verb , adjective and noun I used in the OP until the next offense is perceived by someone

unbelievable

Unbelievable is correct.

Mr Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.