Whenever I think about allowing knives on airplanes, I keep
hearing Samual L Jackson saying, I'm tired of these mfn knives
on this mfn plane.
TSA Will Permit Knives on U.S. Planes
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Jeremy_A_Neel
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Every time I see reports of this new policy change in the news, they talk more about the opposition to knives on planes, from flight attendants, etc. In fact, the opposition to it is all that's talked about. So even though they say the policy is going into effect, IMO it's not a slam-dunk yet. Many knife people forget that the vast majority of people nowadays aren't knife people, have never carried a pocketknife of any sort, and view ANY knife of any size, make, etc., as a deadly weapon. Even a tiny, non-locking SAK pen knife like a Vic Classic. They don't realize that a motivated person can do way more damage on a plane with shoes/boots, a pencil/pen, etc.dialex wrote:If I understand correctly, if the knife is non threatening to others (non locking, thin blade, uncomfortable handles), but hazardous for you to use it (non locking, thin blade, uncomfortable handles), then you can take it with you on a plane
I find it disheartening how sheep-like people are about small pocketknives. I remember years ago, someone suffered a severe medical emergency on a plane over India(?), and a passenger who was a doctor asked if anyone had a knife. Someone had a small SAK, which the doctor used to create an alternate breathing passage in the throat...I can't think of the name of the procedure at this moment. It saved the passenger's life. Since the total ban of knives on planes, that passenger would have died. But of course, no one ever mentions anything like that on the news.
Jim
We spoke with the TSA regarding getting approval for a design before the expense of tooling up. They said they wouldn't do that. That it will be dependnt on the discretion of the TSA officer checking. They also said that if the character was suspicious looking, then they could confiscate even a "compliant" knife. Seems like a pretty vague "law"? Typical. :rolleyes:
Hhhmmmmm.
sal
Hhhmmmmm.
sal
Thanks for the info! So now they can judge people? This is messed up. Like i said before, its better if the rule wasnt even changed. Its ridiculous. Who has the final say? What if the TSA officer thinks everyone looks suspicious and confiscates everyone's knives? What if he/she is having a bad day and just wants to piss people off? Its bad enough that TSA doesnt agree with this rule to begin with. What a waste of time.sal wrote:We spoke with the TSA regarding getting approval for a design before the expense of tooling up. They said they wouldn't do that. That it will be dependnt on the discretion of the TSA officer checking. They also said that if the character was suspicious looking, then they could confiscate even a "compliant" knife. Seems like a pretty vague "law"? Typical. :rolleyes:
Hhhmmmmm.
sal
Compliance has always been at the discretion of the TSA officer, which is one of the reasons I hate them so, so much. I was thinking of getting a Case mini copperhead, but I'm worried I'll run into an uppity TSA agent that confiscates anything that doesn't look like a 58mm SAK or a leatherman squirt.sal wrote:We spoke with the TSA regarding getting approval for a design before the expense of tooling up. They said they wouldn't do that. That it will be dependnt on the discretion of the TSA officer checking. They also said that if the character was suspicious looking, then they could confiscate even a "compliant" knife. Seems like a pretty vague "law"? Typical. :rolleyes:
Hhhmmmmm.
sal
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HornsKeith
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Now you've got a new line item you can add to your 'requirements engineering' list- cheap enough that the customer won't care too much when the TSA confiscates the knife on account of not liking the cut of one's jib. Perhaps you can sell them in a pack of six so I can smile at the TSA guy and say, "No problem, I've got five more at home."sal wrote:We're working on a design and we'll try to make the knife as compliant as possible, and as inexpensive as possible, so even if you are a shady looking character :p a confiscation won't hurt as much, other than not having the knife when you need it.
sal
Looking forward to seeing what Spyderco comes up with. :)
Keith
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Just got these in the mail today. The bottom one as far as I can tell is TSA compliant. It's a 5cm long friction folder, less than 0.5" in width, and the handle couldn't be called molded by any stretch of the word. It was less than $15 too. If you're interested Google "Higo no Kami." They have the Extra Small ones on Amazon still I believe. Was there ever a consensus made about where the knife can be stored...on your person, in a carry on, or in checked baggage? If it can board the plan with you, can you use it on the plane or am I going to send flight attendants into a panic because I had a loose thread on my jeans?
Despite having a compliant blade I will totally buy the Spyderco TSA blade when one is released.
Just got these in the mail today. The bottom one as far as I can tell is TSA compliant. It's a 5cm long friction folder, less than 0.5" in width, and the handle couldn't be called molded by any stretch of the word. It was less than $15 too. If you're interested Google "Higo no Kami." They have the Extra Small ones on Amazon still I believe. Was there ever a consensus made about where the knife can be stored...on your person, in a carry on, or in checked baggage? If it can board the plan with you, can you use it on the plane or am I going to send flight attendants into a panic because I had a loose thread on my jeans?
Despite having a compliant blade I will totally buy the Spyderco TSA blade when one is released.
Just saw a post on the other thread that the TSA is backing off this new ruling. Either too much opinion against the idea or too much confusion on the requirements. Probably both.
It's a shame. There used to be a time when people could be trusted. Most of us here would be just fine with a knife aboard a plane but there are too many nuts out there.
It's a shame. There used to be a time when people could be trusted. Most of us here would be just fine with a knife aboard a plane but there are too many nuts out there.
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Alnamvet68
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I tried to research the reason for a TSA "compliant" knife not having molded scales, and couldn't find why. Can anyone explain to me the rationale behind this, and what exactly is it about a molded handle that makes it a no-no? Oh, and since the bottom line, per the TSA, is that TSA "agents" will have much latitude on deciding whether a knife is compliant or not, on whether one is shady or not, and will be able to exercise with impunity all the subjectivity they can muster at any given pat/shake down of a passenger, AND, if they should choose, deny a legitimate, but shady looking passenger entry into an aircraft, AND take a "compliant" knife away from that same passenger.
Understanding this much, it begs the question...why invest valuable resources, spend money on R&D when it could go to improving on current products, and offering customers what they really want in a knife, when the TSA has essentially stated that compliant or not, it's really up to the "agent" whether a knife gets to be carried on board? Why offer for sale to the knife buying public a knife stating that it's "TSA compliant" when the reality is that there is no guarantee one will even be able to carry that so-called compliant knife on board?
Understanding this much, it begs the question...why invest valuable resources, spend money on R&D when it could go to improving on current products, and offering customers what they really want in a knife, when the TSA has essentially stated that compliant or not, it's really up to the "agent" whether a knife gets to be carried on board? Why offer for sale to the knife buying public a knife stating that it's "TSA compliant" when the reality is that there is no guarantee one will even be able to carry that so-called compliant knife on board?
Awesome news Sal, just another reason why we love Spyderco.sal wrote:We're working on a design and we'll try to make the knife as compliant as possible, and as inexpensive as possible, so even if you are a shady looking character :p a confiscation won't hurt as much, other than not having the knife when you need it.
sal
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Alnamvet68
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I have to agree with this statement. I know TSA has been confiscating items that leave us shaking our heads. I have read a lot on the allowance of small knives and it seems like this is to keep them from prohibiting stuff like say nail clippers because some have the little swing out blades and is not intended for passengers to start carrying knives that most of us would carry.Evil D wrote:Sounds like a Victorinox Classic is about as crazy as you can get lol.
Plus (and this makes me just shake my head too)we have people completely misinterpreting TSA new policy as I have read comments in the media that make you think this TSA policy means passengers can carry firearms, grenades, and plastic explosives in a carry on. Silly. "Terror in the Skies" and all that. Ridiculous.
I dont think the idea behind this is to lighten security precautions for air travel but to make the TSA people's job a bit easier. And I am sure if they find something questionable they are going to seize it. I wont even carry a tactical pen in my carry on. Im not losing anything to TSA lol.
I always wondered if people are carrying those polymer knives on planes much.I had one of those years ago. Could double as a tent stake but it was obviously intended to use as a weapon.
Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens.
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Knifeaddict
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Do you really want to even risk it? Is it worth being stripped searched and missing your flight because of some TSA who is drunk on power. I dont think so . and good luck fighting things in court. who has all the cards in that scenario? Do you have the money to go up against the gov't?
When are poeple gonna realize the gov't is taking advantage of current events to quickly strip you all of your most basic rights and freedoms in this country? In case you hadnt noticed we are becoming a police state society with even local law enforcement becoming militarized .
The Dept. Of Homeland Security is the perfect example of an agency supposedly conceived to "protect" Americans . They should be looking "outward" for threats to the country yet they are looking "inward" at the very people they are supposed to protect. They ignore the most obviuos threats like unsecured borders and focus on procuring street fighting armored assualt vehicles and a billion plus rounds of hollow point ammo. I see a classic trend with Napolitano at the helm of this agency turning into a modern day Gestapo . go ahead and laugh at that and scoff and call it conspiracy talk and be an ostrich with its head in the sand. If you take a little time and start to educate yourself and follow the trends and actions of these agencies you start to see a very scary pattern emerging.
. 9/11 was a wake up call for some people for the gov't it was an opportunity to further advance the process of stripping you of your rights and freedoms. What do you think would happen if someone wipped out a knife on a plane nowadays? I tend to think the passengers would not sit there like sheep again. I think they would probably take the idiot down fast even if it meant getting stabbed/cut.
Which shows me once again the answer isnt in the gov't or some new agency but in the people themselves .
with each passing day more legislations is pushed thru under the guise of "protecting" you and everyone feels safer and the politicians can grandtsand about how they are doing "something" to fix the problem. Then you are gonna wake up one day and realize you are nothing but a slave living in fear of the very gov't you let dominate you . The Constitution is a VERY clear and precise document. It was wriiten that way for a reason. I dont care if its 2013 or 2513 . Stop letting these scumbag lawyers and politicians read between the lines and re-intepret the one document that was supposed to ensure you r family and children would never be the slaves of gov't or another country.
You havnt seen anything yet . this has only just started and now is the time to wake up and get active and start putting true Americans in office not these spineless agenda driven crooks who you vote for because they may support one thing you believe in and you "look the other way" on the rest .
Or we can passively go the way of England and so many others and have so many laws you cant avoid being an enemy of the state for something. and forget about carrying a knife anymore.
When are poeple gonna realize the gov't is taking advantage of current events to quickly strip you all of your most basic rights and freedoms in this country? In case you hadnt noticed we are becoming a police state society with even local law enforcement becoming militarized .
The Dept. Of Homeland Security is the perfect example of an agency supposedly conceived to "protect" Americans . They should be looking "outward" for threats to the country yet they are looking "inward" at the very people they are supposed to protect. They ignore the most obviuos threats like unsecured borders and focus on procuring street fighting armored assualt vehicles and a billion plus rounds of hollow point ammo. I see a classic trend with Napolitano at the helm of this agency turning into a modern day Gestapo . go ahead and laugh at that and scoff and call it conspiracy talk and be an ostrich with its head in the sand. If you take a little time and start to educate yourself and follow the trends and actions of these agencies you start to see a very scary pattern emerging.
. 9/11 was a wake up call for some people for the gov't it was an opportunity to further advance the process of stripping you of your rights and freedoms. What do you think would happen if someone wipped out a knife on a plane nowadays? I tend to think the passengers would not sit there like sheep again. I think they would probably take the idiot down fast even if it meant getting stabbed/cut.
Which shows me once again the answer isnt in the gov't or some new agency but in the people themselves .
with each passing day more legislations is pushed thru under the guise of "protecting" you and everyone feels safer and the politicians can grandtsand about how they are doing "something" to fix the problem. Then you are gonna wake up one day and realize you are nothing but a slave living in fear of the very gov't you let dominate you . The Constitution is a VERY clear and precise document. It was wriiten that way for a reason. I dont care if its 2013 or 2513 . Stop letting these scumbag lawyers and politicians read between the lines and re-intepret the one document that was supposed to ensure you r family and children would never be the slaves of gov't or another country.
You havnt seen anything yet . this has only just started and now is the time to wake up and get active and start putting true Americans in office not these spineless agenda driven crooks who you vote for because they may support one thing you believe in and you "look the other way" on the rest .
Or we can passively go the way of England and so many others and have so many laws you cant avoid being an enemy of the state for something. and forget about carrying a knife anymore.
I feel you, KA. Sadly, no one has cared about the Constitution for years. It's just a historical curiosity at this point. They are even talking about replacing it with some Internet generated nonsense. Iirc, they tried that somewhere. Maybe Iceland? I'm sure, wherever it was, that worked out well.
As for the TSA....I'm driving
Ken
As for the TSA....I'm driving
Ken
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