Maybe people can fill me in on this. I'm still a newbie despite an OCD number of posts.
What was the "old vibe" like or however you would phrase it?
I've done a ton of reading, actually more than I write. It doesn't seem at first glance the posts have been getting cold and senseless. Occasionally a W&R, self defense, or lock thread gets passionate but nothing (IMHO) personally vengeful.
Please let me know your thoughts. I'm not driving an agenda here and want to be part of a safe and friendly community. One where people can feel safe to speak freely but also to have a counter opinion as that is just as important.
If you feel a few folks are vying for control please speak your minds. I'm sure they can go read a book or something. I have one someplace .
Hmmm I think its all normal here on the spydie forums for the most part; I joined in 06' right after I graduated college and had my 1st spydie...since then I haven't noticed too much of a change. Perhaps there are newer members posting more threads than instead of old timers?
I guess the ocassional troll or potty mouth poster before kristi catches them is the worst I've seen...but then again thats routine on any forums.
I would say the old timers would be the ones to ask as they've been haunting the forums the longest :cool:
"To Care for Those Who Shall Have Borne the Battle..." Abraham Lincoln
All you have to do is look at other forums or other comments sections and you realize
that this is about as friendly a place as there is.
On a side note, does anyone need me to put another log on the fire or is that warm
enough. While I am up I can refill your hot chocolate.
Well Blerv I get the feeling that this thread is more or less a response to the one Brother deleting a thread over at the General Discussion part of the forum?? If so I truly want to respond to the thread that the brother made explaining why he took his thread down regarding a certain model of Spyderco knife due to the outright hostility and ill-will he experienced while it was up.
My heart sort of goes out for him because I too have noticed a dramatic change in the climate here on the Great Spyderco.com Forum.
Back in 2004-2005 era when I first joined the tone of the fellowship of knife aficionados and hobbiest and fans of the Spyderco blades was completely different than it is now. I've personally sent PMs to other guys here on the Forum asking pertinent questions or inquiring about subject matter that they seem to have expertise on only to either get slammed or ignored all together. I've also put up posts to try to see what everyone's opinion was on a certain knife or a certain subject matter also to get dissed and talked down to>> very un-necessarily I might add.
It's not just a mere difference of opinion either it's more like they try to telegraph you in a very mean spirited way>> "you're not part of our clique so get the **** out of town" type attitude". Back in the days of Daywalker, Worker#9, Hannibal Lecter, Wali, Smcfalls, and many other great Spyder Brothers and Sisters I could name it was truly a friendly "make you feel right at home" atmosphere. But now it's truly something different. I was telling one long time Brother the other day via PM that I'm not about to be run out of town. And just because most of the newbies don't like Spyderedges or Hawkbills I'm not about to take their insults and let them rub me the wrong way. The only way this kid is going to leave Spyderville is if Mr. Glesser and/or the administrative staff tells me I'm no longer welcome.
I was loving, collecting and using Spyderco knives before many of the new clique ever even owned one.
So YES Blerv there has been some "not so nice" changes in many of the people's attitudes and severe lack of hospitality as far as how they literally attack someone in a hostile way just out of simple disagreement.
I don't want anyone to get hurt feelings. I do feel there is a fine line between being combative and patronizing though. You can agree to disagree in life and if called out sometimes that person has a point (even if partially true)
Some folks believe disagreeing is fighting. It's counter cultural to the trend that everyone should have an opinion. If you take a stance (especially one of controversy) it's a matter of time until someone says, "actually...no."
Yea. That thread didn't end as well as it could have. It still was VERY tame amongst my experience but everyone has different sensibilities. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sometimes when I hear how in the old days when things were better. Referring to this nation, a forum , products. I am the type that will poke holes. We are evolving and from what I see in the world. It is for the better. People still suffering but they have a voice now and we will get there. We all have to learn humility and learn not to burn bridges. Its easy. I was wrong , you were right . I'm sorry. It takes 2 to tango . It only takes 1 to stop the dance. Nobody is totally innocent in the perpetual dance of life.
IMO one of the nicest forums out there. Some of my others hobbies are wrought with people lookin to kick up dust. I spent quite a bit of time on a bonsai forum and quit there due to flaming. A Bosnai forum for Pete's sake.
I feel if there is nothing to argue or disagree about, then there is no passion in the discussion. The forum does have a desolate feel to it. There is a lot of talk and a lot of information, but most of it is very bland. We are sticking to facts and not touching on having fun or doing activities or what drives us.
I follow the shiny footstep rule and sometimes I dance on that rule, but it seems like the shiny footstep rule limits me from contributing. Not saying flat out insults or bad talking the competition, that is definitely under the shiny footstep rule, but I think most people are taking it overboard.
That said, it is good there are other forums.
-Brian A distinguished lurker.
Waiting on a Squeak and Pingo with a Split Spring!
JD Spydo wrote:I was telling one long time Brother the other day via PM that I'm not about to be run out of town. And just because most of the newbies don't like Spyderedges or Hawkbills I'm not about to take their insults and let them rub me the wrong way. The only way this kid is going to leave Spyderville is if Mr. Glesser and/or the administrative staff tells me I'm no longer welcome.
Joe, no one is going to run you out of town.
I love Spyderedges and Hawkbills (actually carrying my Lil Matriarch today), but for some reason, and I don't know what it is, I don't seem to click with many of your threads. Spyderedge and Hawkbills are awesome, but they normally don't fit into my everyday carry.
-Brian A distinguished lurker.
Waiting on a Squeak and Pingo with a Split Spring!
As many of you know, I'm a Spydie-fanatic from the old days (1980s), and was part of the original forum, but didn't post much. Dropped out for a few years and rejoined a couple of years ago. I agree that the discussion in past years was a bit more "clubby" - partially because the membership base was smaller, I imagine. Every barrel has one or two bad apples - and those tend to get weeded out pretty fast here. Overall - this is one of the best hangouts on the 'net.
There is truly a fine line between a "spirited discussion" and an internet-style flame war. I'm a big fan of spirited discussions - and this forum has some of the most experienced and educated cutlery fans on the net, so I fully expect that we share those opinions amongst ourselves. But the thing that makes this forum special is respect - and I feel the vast majority of the participants here truly respect each other and their opinions.
We just need to keep asking ourselves WWSD - "What would Sal do?"
jackburton9807 wrote:IMO one of the nicest forums out there. Some of my others hobbies are wrought with people lookin to kick up dust. I spent quite a bit of time on a bonsai forum and quit there due to flaming. A Bosnai forum for Pete's sake.
that's funny..lol
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Very few things in life are constant, so the fact that this forum is "different" today than it was at some other point in time is unremarkable. Whether that difference is seen as negative or positive is mostly a function of your personal perspective compounded by your choice of a point or points in time with which to compare it. That's not terribly surprising, at least not to me. People come, people go. Some come to learn, some to share knowledge, some to vent, some to brag, some to promote their own enterprises, and some join simply to "screw with the locals". People leave for different, but equally varied, reasons. Some leave quietly, some dramatically, some via Krist's boot. So the population keeps changing and with it, to some degree, the atmosphere.
As someone who's been here for a number of years, I can say there have been times I've found this forum more to my liking than I find it today and times I've found it considerably more irritating. There are folks whose presence I miss, some for their insights, some for their humor, some for their unbridled enthusiasm. There have also been folks I was only too happy to see leave, either voluntarily or via Kristi's boot. And, of course, there are folks whose decision to leave is as much of a non-event as was their appearance here. Still, I can honestly say that on it's worst day this was still the most civil and informative forum I've ever visited. The fact that it stays that way with minimal moderator intervention says a lot to me about the folks who frequent this place. To the point that I'd suggest that anyone who finds it rough here probably should avoid internet forums altogether.
This is a manufacturer's forum. It should not surprise anyone that most of the "regulars" are folks who like the brand and are familiar with, and somewhat knowledgeable about, the products. For that reason, it's to be expected that negative claims about those products which run counter to their own experience are going to meet with some degree of skepticism. Sometimes that skepticism is deserved, sometimes not. That type response will be more likely if the thread title and or, original post, appears inflammatory, grossly exaggerated, or overly dramatic. Most of us can accept that a certain amount of frustration and annoyance is to be expected if a product does not perform the way somone thinks it should. Most of us can understand that, in those situations, a certain amount of venting is to be expected. However, the reactions to excessive venting are fairly predictable, as are the reactions to those reactions, so those whose delicate feelings are not up to a bit of heat should be careful not to use incendiary language. And, if they are deeply hurt and decide to punctuate their exit with a "Goodbye cruel world" post, another dose of derision will follow just as predictably.
jackburton9807 wrote:IMO one of the nicest forums out there. Some of my others hobbies are wrought with people lookin to kick up dust. I spent quite a bit of time on a bonsai forum and quit there due to flaming. A Bosnai forum for Pete's sake.
tonydahose wrote:that's funny..lol
Peace, tranquility and flame wars amongst the tiny trees. :eek:
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Here's the deal guys...the tone is only different if we let it be. My local car forum has fallen to complete crap because the guys who founded the place gave up and let the idiots take over and now it isn't worth posting on. I've lost contact with a lot of friends and lost almost 10 years of membership with that forum because of it. If someone posts something that's offensive or is being unnecessarily rude, someone report the post and the mods can sort that out. I agree with Donut...when people are passionate about something and disagree, there's going to be debate. There's a world of difference between debate (even heated debate) and argument. When people are passionate about something, it's easy to become defensive when you don't agree. I'm guilty of this...if you guys saw half the posts i delete and never post..yikes. If we didn't debate about things, what else would this forum be for? Everyone coming to one place to leg hump something? We're all here because we obviously like something and have that much in common. Some of the best lessons in life are learned through debating with someone and gaining a new perspective, and without that debate you'd never see that side of things. I own a Military today because of this very sort of thing. Debate is where the true merit of something is brought to light.
As for that other thread, i think a lot of us (myself included) got the impression that DC sort of jumped ship or something since he took so long to reply. Thats our (my) fault..we should have considered life outside of the forum. I was fine with that whole thread until the Mike guy came in talking about throwing the knife away because that's what he does with trash. I don't feel that i'm out of line calling someone out when they're under 20 posts and that's the best they have to contribute.
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