[re-release] MT12P featuring Cru-Wear Release Date

[xceptnl]

I still think that these are not stain spots, because they follow a uniform pattern when viewed macro, but I could use a nice explanation :spyder:

I agree. I don't think its "rust" exactly.

[ze12o]

hello recieved my two as well. my boxes were ripped, and the blade tips werent seated in the plastic.. everything was loose in package... the knives are perfect.
i think this was a ups error.

i also have these spots on one of my cruwear mules.. didnt wipe off. but this is expected from steel

i will get a HRC reading at my school sometime this week.


thanks spyderco team! :)

[sal]

Hi Ze12o,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

I'd like to hear more about these "spots". Anybody try some "Flitz" on blade?
sal

[Hector Castro]

I pulled my Mule out of the box, the edge was sharp and toothy under magnification. I am putting some touches on the edge, with my Edge Pro. This is some hard stuff. From the feel of it, this stuff will be a razor blade. I believe my buddy purchased some toxic green G-10, so that is what it will eventually wear. I will report more, after I sharpen it. I am glad we finally got these.

Thank you Spyder Crew and Sal.

[Bolster]

Just received my Cruwear Mule. No spots. Wickedly, aggressively sharp. Thanks, Spyderco.

[ze12o]

hello sir (sal),

thank you for the welcoming, i am very happy to be a part of this community.

here is my clean cruwear.


here is the other blade.


here is a side by side.


i have taken a course in materials engineering, and would love to learn more about steels. i am not entirely surprised about surface oxidation, this is steel.

edit:: scales make sense.

it feels like a beatiful metal.

[xceptnl]

Hi Ze12o,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

I'd like to hear more about these "spots". Anybody try some "Flitz" on blade?
sal

Sal, I have tried 3 coats of Flitz on 3 seperate sittings. I first cleaned the blade with acetone, then tried the first coat exactly as described. The results seemed no different then when I started. On the second coat I let the paste haze, then rubbed, haze, then rub again. Still no change in the "spots". The third application I actually used a scrubbing pad in conjunction with the Flitz. Any other suggestions besides "just put it to use"?

[Thevenin]

Sal, I have tried 3 coats of Flitz on 3 seperate sittings. I first cleaned the blade with acetone, then tried the first coat exactly as described. The results seemed no different then when I started. On the second coat I let the paste haze, then rubbed, haze, then rub again. Still no change in the "spots". The third application I actually used a scrubbing pad in conjunction with the Flitz. Any other suggestions besides "just put it to use"?

Wow.

[The Mastiff]

I still think that these are not stain spots, because they follow a uniform pattern when viewed macro, but I could use a nice explanation

No explanation but a guess. I think it's scale left from the heat treat not ground off. That's pretty tough stuff, sometimes left on by some knife makers. It could have scaled over in grooves from the first grind, then the second grind after the second heat just wasn't deep enough.

Scale is tougher than rust which could be why it didn't come off after the rubbing compound treatment.

Whether I'm right or wrong it all boils down to "can you live with it for the price you paid and it's intended purpose?".

As we have all heard before, and know to be true there is nothing perfect that's built by man. If it's within Xceptnl's "specs" than it's a keeper. If it's not then it's a return.

Mine, it's a keeper and a user. I'd not hesitate to use the one in your picture for $59.95.

Joe

[The Mastiff]

I pulled my Mule out of the box, the edge was sharp and toothy under magnification. I am putting some touches on the edge, with my Edge Pro. This is some hard stuff. From the feel of it, this stuff will be a razor blade

Cruware takes a great edge. It's not a steel I typically bring to a high polish. I like the savage, but strong edge it can give. It's one of the tougher steels I've ever used. Not bending with a pipe wrench in a vise tough. I never did that. I did scratch my initials in a structural steel girder on a railroad bridge I was building. It got rust from the girder on my blade, but that's about it.

I like it. I'm hoping that some others will too. We all like different things though. Not everybody will. Some will find a steel they really get along with just as some did with Super Blue.

Joe

[sal]

Hi Xceptnl,

Interesting. I haven't seen them so I can't guess what they might be.

I guess as Joe says, if you can live with it, fine, if not, I guess you can send it back and we can replace it as long as we still have inventory,. If you plan to send it back, I wouldn't wait too long.

sal

[wquiles]

A knife is a tool - something to be used. The mules are a great way to use/learn/appreciate new steels - I just don't get this worrying about spots or no spots. Just use it :D

Will

[Bolster]

I like the savage, but strong edge it can give.

Joe describes the edge well. I've not experienced an edge like this Cruwear before, it seems remarkably aggressive. By way of analogy, in the desert there's a cactus called "jumping cholla." It gets that name because as you walk past it, it seems to jump at you, as if it were alive. In fact it just has wicked microscopic barbs on it that catch anything it touches.

That's how this edge feels as you run your thumb across it...I get the impression the edge is "jumping" at me, it has a very aggressive feel, compared to the sharp but civilized edges that are on my VG-10 blades.

[sal]

It's Joe's fault that we're making this mule. He was relentless in his persistence. Thanx Joe.

I'll accept responsibility for the screw up in the heat treat.

I must admit that I'm curious if it will be liked enough to make a "Sprint" or even a regular model with this steel?

sal

[mil]

It's Joe's fault that we're making this mule. He was relentless in his persistence. Thanx Joe.

I'll accept responsibility for the screw up in the heat treat.

I must admit that I'm curious if it will be liked enough to make a "Sprint" or even a regular model with this steel?

sal

Perhaps a Manix XL sprint? Cruwear seems like a good matchup for such a strong design. That, or a larger fixed blade :)

[Sequimite]

Perhaps a Manix XL sprint? Cruwear seems like a good matchup for such a strong design.

Yes, yes, yes. Time to atone for the 3mm blade, Sal. And while you're at it make it the 2012 forum knife in dark green G10. Oh, and a pony.

One of my two Cruware Mules has some interesting colors and speckles on one side. I wish the speckles were on both sides. I like them.

[Rockcrawler]

Of my two, one also came with some spots and the other just shiny. Threw some option 4 earth brown Halperns on the shiny one for now. May change my mind though...

[xceptnl]

Hi Xceptnl,

Interesting. I haven't seen them so I can't guess what they might be.

I guess as Joe says, if you can live with it, fine, if not, I guess you can send it back and we can replace it as long as we still have inventory,. If you plan to send it back, I wouldn't wait too long.

sal

Sal
Thanks for the reply to my post. I was primarily looking for any possible explanation from you guys in CO. I agree with the comment by wquiles, it is just a tool and I just plan to use it. No need for returns/exchanges. Thanks for your time.

Landon

[The Mastiff]

It's Joe's fault that we're making this mule. He was relentless in his persistence. Thanx Joe.

Sal, since I can't tell whether you are rolling your eyes as you say that I'll be safe and promise not to ask for any new steels. I might agree with some others choices though. :)

I'll accept responsibility for the screw up in the heat treat.

I didn't want to ask. I figured I'd keep a low profile so I didn't wear out my welcome. I probably would have if it wasn't Cruware it happened to.

I must admit that I'm curious if it will be liked enough to make a "Sprint" or even a regular model with this steel?

I'm curious about that too. It's a great steel but it's not stainless, and it's not quite as easy as the Super Blue to sharpen and reprofile. It's good hard use stuff though.

Joe

[sal]

Hi Joe,

No problem. We appreciate your input and persistence. :)

sal