Initial Impressions Review: Peak LED Solutions Logan 123 QTC High CRI

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Initial Impressions Review: Peak LED Solutions Logan 123 QTC High CRI

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Here is my initial review of the Peak LED Solutions "Logan 123 QTC" which was purchased from Overready.com. Their Peak lights come with aluminum bodies, SS momentary switches (if ordered) and SS heads. These lights are made in America which is rare these days.

Flashlights and knives are strange hobbies, you start off intrigued and before you know it the obsession has hit levels of eccentric you never imagined :p . This light is what I would probably consider my ideal "EDC" light even over the 4Sevens Quark or Zebralight SC51 in the $60-100 range at least.

The Logan is available in an almost limitless combination of battery options, operation/carry styles, output, materials, and optic ranges (wide to narrow). It also has an option for "High CRI" which I recall are in the 85-87 percent range.

Sidenote: The acronym CRI stands for "Color Rendering Index" or also known as "Color Accuracy", as it is a descriptor of how well the light bring out proper colors in the dark. Incandescent lights are considered 100. These lights tend to be more warm/orange/yellow and will produce less lumens than a cool white equivalent powered LED (as low as half as much). However while brighter Cool White LED's muddy colors and tend to disorient people for this reason. Different light for different uses and preferences.

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Logan left (2700-3000k? High CRI) Vs Zebralight SC51w (4200k neutral led). Cool White is 6,000-6,500 typicically. Perspective is off, hotspot is similar in size

Recently the flashlight world has been experimenting with QTC (Quantum Tunneling Composite). This sandwich-able material conducts more electricity as it's compressed which has allowed lights a very primitive version of infinite variable output. The Peak use I believe a QTC within a Delrin pill allowing for less fussiness and more durability. On the note of fussiness, there is some flicker and the ramping isn't porcelain smooth but this non-electronic approach has its own flair for someone who has torch empathy ;) .

According to Overready, the Logan running on an IMR16350 (same size as a CR123) will push about 300 on a cool white led. The high CRI is supposedly half that but it keeps up with my Zebralight SC51w rated at 172lumens OTF on a AA, if not beats it. With the IMR on high it also gets hot quick. Using a lithium primary I'm sure the numbers would make more sense and keep heat under control at full brightness.

QTC Operation is very simple. Twisting slowly clockwise ramps the XPG from almost a glowing match head to max brightness. With the momentary button a squeeze does the same thing. You can also go from moonlight brightness twisted to max brightness with the button squeeze, releasing returns it back to low brightness (or approximately).

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Logan left, Zebralight right (at a blistering .18 lumens :p )

Ordering these lights you can get extra bodies for various battery options, different heads for led brightness/type/beam profile, and different tail caps (keychain, button, and flat/short). I hear all Overready versions come at level 8 (max bright) and narrow optic so without QTC you have a very simple tactical single-mode light. If ordered elsewhere a similar configuration can be assembled with a level 1-8 brightness which comes obviously different runtime as well. A level 6 is about half as bright as an 8 I hear. Please either confirm this or assume a 50% drop per 2 levels.

For AAA lovers the equivalent to the Logan is the Eiger and optioned similar. The beam per optic type will be a little more floody and the capacity/brightness will be less as we know in the AAA/AA and lithium equivalent race.

Clips for the Logan are made by Overready but currently unavailable.

My initial experience with this light has few cons. The QTC is obviously less accurate than an electronic mode (but also easier to replace or disable). It flutters a bit at the beginning and can "dance" at low levels a few lumens. The o-ring is a tad chubby so putting the head back on is more time consuming than the 4sevens, ZL, Nitecore, Surefire (and so on) lights. Lastly while water resistant I wouldn't push my luck past operating in the rain.

This wasn't intended as a FAQ for Peak lights, QTC or other terms mentioned. I don't claim to be an expert in lights or even remotely intelligent :p . It's not a promise that your experience with any product above won't range fron disaster to bliss (always a chance for a dud in manufacturing). It was written to perhaps *peak* your interest in the technologies and give one more option to those who want a different product and try to buy only American made goods.

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Comparison in size: Dereelight C2H/Javelin Hybrid (p60), Nitecore Extreme, Zebralight SC51w, Peak Logan 123 with momentary switch

Whether its a #6 Eiger 1-mode for your Dad in brass for a Father's Day or a quirky QTC for the nerds out there ( :) ) I think Peak has some pretty overlooked products to say the least.

Thanks for reading!


Edit: removed "OTF" from the lumen notes. While the manufacturer notes on Overready's site are probably true lumens, I don't want to get into a rating war :) . The way these are driven though is according to voltage.
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That's a pretty interesting light you got there Blerv. I like it. Just a couple questions. The pics on their web site make it look like it has an aspherical lens. Does it? I don't see the option to turn it into a floody or did they just take that option away when they sold out. It states it does 300lm, using the cw led, but where does it say it's otf lumens?

Good review on a nice little light.
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thanks for the review Blerv, i have that light in 17500 QTC body, its my favorite edc, and the most versatile pocket light i have.

the beam has a hotspot with a generous spill, which means its an all around beam (which for me is perfect for edc).

the body allows for a 17500 lithium ion battery which is the lenght of a AA and roughly the width of a CR123 battery, this means i can use the 17500 which is awesome for runtime and power, and in an emergency i can also use any AA battery chemistry thanks to the Logan driver (1V to 4.2V or a bit more iirc).

angusW, its not an aspherical lens but a much more balanced lens, has a great balance between throw and flood like i described, in Blerv´s pic it looks like way more concentrated hotspot than you see in actual use because im sure that pic was taken with the light *very* close to the object.

here is a picture of mine i recently posted in the other subforum:

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Thanks for the comments guys :) . Yea Mano I deliberated over the 123 or 17500 body! Might get an extra tube still.

Angus: As mentioned my pic was very close; it's a normal profile similar to a Quark I would say. The brightness is variable in QTC by twisting but not focus. It looks odd because most small lights use a reflector where this uses a fixed optic to adjust the beam profile. You can pick wide, medium, or narrow (throw).

Bob over at RMT is another dealer (http://www.em-mgt.com/LED/Peak.html) who is great with the custom questions. Tint, beam profile, batteries, an anything you could dream up.

They actually have a new AAA sized light that uses a XM-L led. It pushes 600 lumens on a lithium :) .

Note: great point on the lumens. I believe I got the OTF estimate from CPF Forums. The light is driven based on voltage as Mano mentioned so at the initial 4.2ish its a rocket.
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Blerv,
Thank you for review. Do you know, if these lights would work using CR123?
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hi, it's really amazing, thanks for sharing.
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Hey bh49,

Yea the Logan 123 model I have will use either a CR123 or a IMR16340. It won't use a RCR123 I hear due to sizing. The difference is on a primary you trade a little brightness for extra runtime.

In fact, due to these being modular you could buy the 17500 version's tube and have the option to run a Alkaline or rechargeable AA as well as 17500 and 14500 lithiums. The Alkaline would be much dimmer due to the 1.5v though.
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angusW wrote:The pics on their web site make it look like it has an aspherical lens. Does it? I don't see the option to turn it into a floody or did they just take that option away when they sold out. It states it does 300lm, using the cw led, but where does it say it's otf lumens?
Hey Angus, judging by what I'm seeing in the picture below this is similar to what Surefire is putting in most of their LED lights, also Gene Malkoff used these on his older drop-ins. It is a TIR Optic, I can't remember if it stands for Total Internal Reflector or something else. What I do remember is that it reflects around 85% of the emitted light out the front, they are very efficient. Not always the nicest looking beam, but it works well.

If you look at the side of one of these "reflectors" you can see right through it, it works on the principal like light reflecting off of water, if you have a low enough angle, it will reflect and not go through. That is why they are shaped like a parabola, to make sure the angle of the light hitting it is very low and that it doesn't escape the optic.
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Blerv wrote:Hey bh49,

Yea the Logan 123 model I have will use either a CR123 or a IMR16340. It won't use a RCR123 I hear due to sizing. The difference is on a primary you trade a little brightness for extra runtime.

In fact, due to these being modular you could buy the 17500 version's tube and have the option to run a Alkaline or rechargeable AA as well as 17500 and 14500 lithiums. The Alkaline would be much dimmer due to the 1.5v though.
I have a 123 body that i keep as spare, all 123 chemistries i tried work and fit: CR23, IMR123 and even protected RCR123

the Logan is truly a versatile and also high performance light in a lot of ways. theres is an adapter set that makes the 17500 body also able to run 123s and even AAAs in it.
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Blerv,
Thank you. I am thinking about possible replacement of my EDC, so I will need a pocket light, which would run from one CR123.
just wondering why Peak lights are giving output in CP and not in luiments like many others.
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There are various ways to rate and list brightness, not all lumens are even created equally. No clue personally, it sure sounds more impressive :) .

Here's a vid someone else shot on Youtube that shows the various levels on a Cool White Logan QTC. It's pretty darn bright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LfEE6Bx-M

Really the fun part of this light is the variable feature. There are situations (for me) where moonlight mode is just a tad too bright and the momentary switch lets you ramp it up quickly with one hand.

According to RMSK the OTF rating is 150-225 lumens (primary to RCR/IMR). They rate the Eiger at 75 lumens on a single Alkaline. If you want cool white it's available in SS and brass too :)

http://www.em-mgt.com/LED/Logan.html
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Blerv wrote:There are various ways to rate and list brightness, not all lumens are even created equally. No clue personally, it sure sounds more impressive :) .

Here's a vid someone else shot on Youtube that shows the various levels on a Cool White Logan QTC. It's pretty darn bright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LfEE6Bx-M

Really the fun part of this light is the variable feature. There are situations (for me) where moonlight mode is just a tad too bright and the momentary switch lets you ramp it up quickly with one hand.

According to RMSK the OTF rating is 150-225 lumens (primary to RCR/IMR). They rate the Eiger at 75 lumens on a single Alkaline. If you want cool white it's available in SS and brass too :)

http://www.em-mgt.com/LED/Logan.html
Iirc, 150-225 is the lumen rating of the Eiger, the Logan has been tested in an integrated sphere at 290+ lumens.
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Mano wrote:Iirc, 150-225 is the lumen rating of the Eiger, the Logan has been tested in an integrated sphere at 290+ lumens.
That makes way more sense. In a side-by-side this high cri seemed far brighter than the Zebralight. I figured at 225 those would be pretty beefy lumens.
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Sorry i thought you meant the cool white one, high CRI should be lower though i dont know how low, the Logan hCRI i have does seem also pretty bright too.

i really like the hCRI Logan model not only for the color rendition but also because the warm temperature of the light is easier on the eyes, i like having that option, surely would like to have a 5000k° 95+ CRI Logan though.
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Oh no, I meant the CW one. From videos and generally understanding of a high powered XPG R5 Bob's estimates of 225 OTF seem conservative.

The High CRI is pretty darn bright though on an IMR. It seems 150 lumens at least. It's definitely warm; I'd prefer it somewhere in the 4000ish range.
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Ok. I think I understand what you guys are saying regarding the lens. In fact I have some that I bought a few years ago. The ones I have are pretty cheap but I basically the same idea.

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