Original S30V Carbon Fiber Military - brownish hue in scales?

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Original S30V Carbon Fiber Military - brownish hue in scales?

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Hoping one of you would be able to answer a quick question I have. I was able to pick up an S30V Spyderco Military Carbon Fiber. I think it was the first one they made CF scales in (It has no steel liner on the right side).

Did the Carbon Fiber on these have a somewhat goldenrod or brown hue to it? This one definitely does, especially when compared to say an S90V Paramilitary in the similar peel ply? It definitely does not look like dirt/hand oils as it is completely consistent and this knife has not been used.

Thanks for any info. So far I love this knife, it is my first Military. I just keep opening it and in my Crocodile Dundee voice saying that's not a knife - THAT's a knife! :D

I can't believe such a large blade can weigh so little. I am really going to enjoy this for camping.
My current Spydercos: Military CF S90V, (2) Military CF M390, Navaja CF S30V, Superleaf CF VG-10, Manix 2 CF CTS-XHP, Manix 2 CF S90V, Paramilitary 2 CF S90V, Stretch 2 CF ZDP-189, Sage 1 CF S30V, Lum Chinese CF VG-10, Caly 3 CF ZDP-189, Chaparral CF S30V, Kiwi CF VG-10, Chicago CF S30V, Cat CF S30V, Schempp Rock VG-10, Temperance 2 VG-10 :spyder:
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Yes the color looks as you describe.
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I have a pair of BG-42 Militarys and one of them does have what may appear as golden speckles in the carbon fiber. The other doesn't. I like the golden speckles. Perhaps the manufacture of the carbon fiber may vary slightly on each production run.

Enjoy the Military. I love the distinctive "clank" sound when the blade is opened with positive force. No other knife I've ever handled produces this unique sound. When you hear it, you know exactly what it is.
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Based on the various Military models I've got, the CF scales make a noise that's distinctively different than the G10 scaled-models. Sort of like the difference between a rosewood-bodied acoustic guitar compared to a mahogony-bodied guitar. ;)
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am thinking that this yellow hue - it is yellow, not brown, is definitely not in the CF, but on top of it. The inside of the scales and under the clip do not have the same hue.

Using a light solvent and a clean cloth, it comes off on the cloth a little and is a very apparent yellow. I don't think it could be removed from the whole knife in that way though.

It almost resembles a super light yellow spray paint overspray.

I am wondering if the Carbon Fiber itself oxidizes over time (this knife is 6 years or so old) this way. I also wonder if the "peel-ply" that spyderco created in this first gen used a resin that aged this way.

I'm a little perplexed about it and don't know what to do with it. I am tempted to apply a little silicone food oil (rusty's), or penetrol to see if it clears up.

I am also thinking of sanding it. I know, I know, it is complete sacrilege on a knife with some rarity (350 or so made), but as it is I am going to violate it anyways by sharpening it (ack), and carrying it (oh my) and using it (the horror).
My current Spydercos: Military CF S90V, (2) Military CF M390, Navaja CF S30V, Superleaf CF VG-10, Manix 2 CF CTS-XHP, Manix 2 CF S90V, Paramilitary 2 CF S90V, Stretch 2 CF ZDP-189, Sage 1 CF S30V, Lum Chinese CF VG-10, Caly 3 CF ZDP-189, Chaparral CF S30V, Kiwi CF VG-10, Chicago CF S30V, Cat CF S30V, Schempp Rock VG-10, Temperance 2 VG-10 :spyder:
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Sounds like you purchased it on the secondary market. If so, did it come from a "smoke free" home? Even if it did, there's still the chance of cooking residue, depending on where and how it was stored or displayed. Heck, it could even be residue from something like WD-40 that was applied intentionally.

At least some resins can discolor from exposure to sunlight and certain chemicals, but that type of discoloration does not rub off.
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Yep, it was purchased secondary market (sort of have to for this knife of 6 years ago).

It's definitely not smoke or cooking residue. The knife is not used (factory edge still), it looks like discoloration from uv light. It is not rubbing of easy (takes some good effort and acetone).
My current Spydercos: Military CF S90V, (2) Military CF M390, Navaja CF S30V, Superleaf CF VG-10, Manix 2 CF CTS-XHP, Manix 2 CF S90V, Paramilitary 2 CF S90V, Stretch 2 CF ZDP-189, Sage 1 CF S30V, Lum Chinese CF VG-10, Caly 3 CF ZDP-189, Chaparral CF S30V, Kiwi CF VG-10, Chicago CF S30V, Cat CF S30V, Schempp Rock VG-10, Temperance 2 VG-10 :spyder:
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Well. I learned a little more from the original owner. It looks like the yellow color may be due to the fact the knife was protected and then stored in "Hanwei Sword Oil" whatever that is. Does anybody know anything about this stuff? I am wondering what I could do to get it off. I was thinking of letting the scales soak overnight in either soapy water, or maybe Isopropyl alcohol to see if it softens it up/removes it. I'd appreciate any other ideas that would save me breaking out the sandpaper, and not damage the scales.
My current Spydercos: Military CF S90V, (2) Military CF M390, Navaja CF S30V, Superleaf CF VG-10, Manix 2 CF CTS-XHP, Manix 2 CF S90V, Paramilitary 2 CF S90V, Stretch 2 CF ZDP-189, Sage 1 CF S30V, Lum Chinese CF VG-10, Caly 3 CF ZDP-189, Chaparral CF S30V, Kiwi CF VG-10, Chicago CF S30V, Cat CF S30V, Schempp Rock VG-10, Temperance 2 VG-10 :spyder:
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A little more checking has shown that this Hanwei oil may be a bit like Cosmoline. I am going to try very hot water. Anybody with experiences removing cosmoline like stuff from scales?
My current Spydercos: Military CF S90V, (2) Military CF M390, Navaja CF S30V, Superleaf CF VG-10, Manix 2 CF CTS-XHP, Manix 2 CF S90V, Paramilitary 2 CF S90V, Stretch 2 CF ZDP-189, Sage 1 CF S30V, Lum Chinese CF VG-10, Caly 3 CF ZDP-189, Chaparral CF S30V, Kiwi CF VG-10, Chicago CF S30V, Cat CF S30V, Schempp Rock VG-10, Temperance 2 VG-10 :spyder:
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Rem oil does a good job of removing stuff like cosmoline. I doubt hanwei oil is cosmoline. Sword oil usually was mineral oil with clove oil added so the japanese women wouldn't use it to cook with. Rem oil hasn't harmed my s90v cf millie yet. Give it a shot maybe. Or use alcohol.
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Or WD-40 or almost anything that's got a lot of solvents in the product. Spray, then use a stiff brush and/or a shop rag to absorb it. If it has really gummed up, maybe spray then wrap in a shop rag and let it soften. I would be careful of prolonged exposure to denatured alcohol, which I have had soften epoxy-based products (like G10 and CF) on occasion.
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