It's hard to beat a waved knife. It's impossible to beat a FB.
That said, this ain't the wild west. Consider the moment your being attacked by someone who can hit and has the intent to do so. He's trying to separate your jaw from your skull or put a weapon on/in you and your guard is dropped for pocket access.
People who jump you have the intention of being quick. Between shock and adrenalin hopefully your faster. Personally, my hands are going right in that person's eyes.
Fast Draws?
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jackknifeh
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Like Unit says, what to do is the most important decision. Then if necessary a slower CONTROLLED deployment would be much more desireable than a fast fumbled one I would think.unit wrote:I have talked to more than a few people that train and practice a lot more than I have ever considered training...and they use a two-handed deployment.
It would seem that they all value (or have been taught/trained to value) a controlled deployment that will NOT change with stress.
A fast fumbled knife may become a tool for your attacker.
"Decisions" need to be quick. "Deployment" is secondary
Jack
Or you can go to the track and practice your "fast sprints". Avoidance is always the best defense. If this can't be attained, only then do you move to the next step. You always want to be prepared for anything. I try to keep my head on a swivel, inconspicuously looking around, checking out the landscape. Your mouth can be a vital weapon as well. Knowing how to intelligently talk your way out of a confrontation can be as valuable as knowing how to quickly deploy your knife or gun. Don't get me wrong, I carry a Michael Janich Custom Endura and a Glock and will do whatever I have to do to save my family and myself, but the decision to use lethal force should not be taken lightly. And if you pull your knife, it is the same as pulling a gun.
I'm all for carrying tools and weapons but agree avoidance is the best path in all cases.
The problem with tools of the lethal nature isn't being able to cope with what you have done (IMHO) but knowing what is definitively: life vs death. A big guy who is pushing you? What if he hits you and your on the ground, is it over or are you about to get curb stomped?
Two guys with ski masks is pretty obvious but infrequent unless you're Bruce Willis.
The problem with tools of the lethal nature isn't being able to cope with what you have done (IMHO) but knowing what is definitively: life vs death. A big guy who is pushing you? What if he hits you and your on the ground, is it over or are you about to get curb stomped?
Two guys with ski masks is pretty obvious but infrequent unless you're Bruce Willis.
Nice quote. I like the words of another wise man who once wrote, , (loosely paraphrased, but it means about the same thing): "A man who lives in a swamp is often covered with mud."JLS wrote:Don't hang out with stupid people, don't go to stupid places, don't do stupid things and be home before 10 pm. [/B]
Good point. If it's just some guy who gets mouthy and likes to start fights when he's drunk, pulling a knife or gun is a good way to turn a scuffle into an ugly legal problem. I knew a guy from high school who wasn't afraid to use a knife in a drunken confrontation. He killed someone and went to prison.Blerv wrote: The problem with tools of the lethal nature isn't being able to cope with what you have done (IMHO) but knowing what is definitively: life vs death. A big guy who is pushing you? What if he hits you and your on the ground, is it over or are you about to get curb stomped?
Two guys with ski masks is pretty obvious but infrequent unless you're Bruce Willis.
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Auto insurance is something we buy and hope we never need to use it. Most people do get into at least one fender bender in their life though. Out of all the discussion on this forum about using knives for self defense I'd hate to think that the possibility of getting into a situation like that is that likely.
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Those are some good words! But coping with the reality is pretty heavy also.Blerv wrote:I'm all for carrying tools and weapons but agree avoidance is the best path in all cases.
The problem with tools of the lethal nature isn't being able to cope with what you have done (IMHO) but knowing what is definitively: life vs death. A big guy who is pushing you? What if he hits you and your on the ground, is it over or are you about to get curb stomped?
Two guys with ski masks is pretty obvious but infrequent unless you're Bruce Willis.
Along the other lines...I would urge anyone that has not seen it before to conduct a little web search for, "knife fight photos" and take a hard look at what comes up. It is graphic and disturbing. It is NOT for the faint of heart.
I am not suggesting that anyone lay down and die instead of defending them self, but being realistic in terms of what you AND the other guy will look like during and after the confrontation is concept you ought to take for a test-drive before you decide to carry a knife for SD.
Might as well add some statement about training here also....
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Very true friend. No intention to sound like a "tough guy". :ounit wrote:But coping with the reality is pretty heavy also.
My main point is that coping with a justified and necessary response (while not easy) is easier than being judge and executioner when you don't necessarily know what's going on (or what will happen). It's the reason I respect cops and our military folks so much because when adrenalin is flowing and everything is moving quick keeping a rational mind is very difficult.
You have to live with the consequences, good or bad. I just wish all the really bad guys wore black hats, ski masks, or literally said, "I'm going to kill you". It would make the spectrum of force more transparent.
Looking at Youtube vids of fights it's sad to see how many end with a kick or stomp to a grounded opponent. Shame fights don't always end like boxing matches.
All the more reason to avoid them completely!!!I agree that it's rather unlikely.jackknifeh wrote:Auto insurance is something we buy and hope we never need to use it. Most people do get into at least one fender bender in their life though. Out of all the discussion on this forum about using knives for self defense I'd hate to think that the possibility of getting into a situation like that is that likely.
Jack
Then again, statistics are based on reality and few of the people the statistics are based on planned on their number being drawn that day.
If the statistics say it happens to someone, IMO, it's not wasting time to prepare for it.
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Perhaps I should have worded my post to say "AND coping with reality is pretty heavy...."Blerv wrote:Very true friend. No intention to sound like a "tough guy". :o
My main point is that coping with a justified and necessary response (while not easy) is easier than being judge and executioner when you don't necessarily know what's going on (or what will happen). It's the reason I respect cops and our military folks so much because when adrenalin is flowing and everything is moving quick keeping a rational mind is very difficult.
You have to live with the consequences, good or bad. I just wish all the really bad guys wore black hats, ski masks, or literally said, "I'm going to kill you". It would make the spectrum of force more transparent.
Looking at Youtube vids of fights it's sad to see how many end with a kick or stomp to a grounded opponent. Shame fights don't always end like boxing matches.
Nothing you said made you come off as a wanna-be "tough guy". Sorry if for my poor wording choice.
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Oh no offense taken. Prematurely disclaiming myself as it's the last thing I would want to project.unit wrote:Perhaps I should have worded my post to say "AND coping with reality is pretty heavy...."
Nothing you said made you come off as a wanna-be "tough guy". Sorry if for my poor wording choice.
I'm the guy threadjacking this too much, lol.
Off the SD kick, I'm a fan of the waved or FB method of deployment. Other opening styles work but for the average person probably in a more ideal situation.
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I have a hard time fumbling the draw of my waved Endura and I even doubt I would be faster with a FB. Standing and wearing jeans that is. Used to practice a bit when I first got it and maybe it is hard to unlearn like swimming or riding a bicycle.
Unlike Mr. Janich excellent explanation I draw more to the side than the rear ending in a kind of at-the-ready martial arts stance. Works better for me somehow.
SD is always a good subject to read up on and train in. If you are decently prepared without a knife or gun you can be better prepared with a knife and/or gun and some specific training.
Facing the consequences of your actions is a fact of life in many ways but genuine fear is easily recognizable. If you are mentally sane and not on alcohol or drugs I would trust that fear.
Unlike Mr. Janich excellent explanation I draw more to the side than the rear ending in a kind of at-the-ready martial arts stance. Works better for me somehow.
SD is always a good subject to read up on and train in. If you are decently prepared without a knife or gun you can be better prepared with a knife and/or gun and some specific training.
Facing the consequences of your actions is a fact of life in many ways but genuine fear is easily recognizable. If you are mentally sane and not on alcohol or drugs I would trust that fear.