ELMAX: Any interest in a Mule Team for this great Steel?

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Ankerson wrote:ELMAX is very different, very stainless, and very tough and has a lot more carbide forming alloys than the others do.

ELMAX was developed for the Plastics industry were the chemicals are very corrosive so it had to be very rust resistant while still being tough and wear resistant.

What that does for a knife blade is it gives us everything we want the most and none of the things we don't want like rust, chipping (Even at high hardness) etc.

In the alloy percentages a 1 percent change is a huge difference, anything under 1 percent total is for grain refinement mostly.
What are the differences you have found between Elmax and M390? Are there any areas where Elmax betters M390? I understand there is already an M390 Mule in the works, so it would be great to have an Elmax one for comparison.
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catamount wrote:What are the differences you have found between Elmax and M390? Are there any areas where Elmax betters M390? I understand there is already an M390 Mule in the works, so it would be great to have an Elmax one for comparison.
The edge retention on M390 is higher, rust resistance is higher, it costs quite a bit more because of the complicated alloy content.

ELMAX is tougher at higher hardness, it's a very tough steel.

You could make a chopper out of ELMAX. ;)
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i wouldnt mind seeing various spyderco models in ELMAX. perhaps the military, paramilitary 2, and a mule.
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Count me in for an Elmax Mule. Thanks for starting this thread Jim.

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Hi Jim,

Thanx for posting the question. I guess it must have slipped my mind, (senior moment) when I last communicated with you, but we had already ordered in some Elmax for a Mule Team and it has just come in.

We'll be doing a Mule Team run and we'll have enough steel for a run of a knife as well.

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sal wrote:Hi Jim,

Thanx for posting the question. I guess it must have slipped my mind, (senior moment) when I last communicated with you, but we had already ordered in some Elmax for a Mule Team and it has just come in.

We'll be doing a Mule Team run and we'll have enough steel for a run of a knife as well.

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sal wrote:Hi Jim,

Thanx for posting the question. I guess it must have slipped my mind, (senior moment) when I last communicated with you, but we had already ordered in some Elmax for a Mule Team and it has just come in.

We'll be doing a Mule Team run and we'll have enough steel for a run of a knife as well.

sal
any hints on which knife that will be?
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This is excellent news. I am in for a Mule team. There are a few models that could get this and I would be excited as well. I would def buy a millie, but would also consider some others.
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A nickel says it will be the Manix 2 that gets the Elmax.
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sal wrote:Hi Jim,

Thanx for posting the question. I guess it must have slipped my mind, (senior moment) when I last communicated with you, but we had already ordered in some Elmax for a Mule Team and it has just come in.

We'll be doing a Mule Team run and we'll have enough steel for a run of a knife as well.

sal
Hi Sal,

That's great news. :)


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Sequimite wrote:A nickel says it will be the Manix 2 that gets the Elmax.
Or Para 2. In either case, I have a feeling it will be a dealer, or distributor, exclusive.

Hopefully I'm wrong, it will be a regular production Para 2, and everyone who wants one won't have any trouble getting it at a reasonable price ;)
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cool.......
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catamount wrote:Or Para 2. In either case, I have a feeling it will be a dealer, or distributor, exclusive.

Hopefully I'm wrong, it will be a regular production Para 2, and everyone who wants one won't have any trouble getting it at a reasonable price ;)
I would probably go for a Para 2. Already have a Manix and Military and I don't currently have any comp locks (until the yo 2 drops).

If it's a Manix, I will probably just go for the Mule. Seems like a good steel for a fixed blade.
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Kershaw Speedform II sub $100 folder in elmax steel.
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I'm getting kind of excited now. A Mule for sure. Then a Para 2, Manix 2, Superleaf, Native, the Bill Moran fixed blade, the Perrin design fixed blade, a Temperance 2, Bushcraft, and a Kumo just for good measure (if I may throw in my slightly obsessive two cents).

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I would. What mules are available at the moment?
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Ankerson wrote:Starting a thread to see if there would be any interest in a ELMAX Mule Team. :spyder:

As some know I have done extensive testing on this steel and I believe it would be a great addition to the Mule Team Project.

It's a 3rd Generation Particle Technology steel and it's very clean, very tough and will take an extremely fine edge.


Carbon (C) 1.70

Chromium (Cr) 18.00

Manganese (Mn) 0.30

Molybdenum (Mo) 1.00

Silicon (Si) 0.80

Vanadium (V) 3.00
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mrbladedude wrote:I would. What mules are available at the moment?
You can find them on the Spyderco factory store site - they currently only have the Cobalt and Aogami Super Blue models available. Everything else is sold out.

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I won't miss out on another one! cound me in
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High C and high Cr , heck yea.
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