Ayoob Sprint SE or PE?

[jezabel]

Recently Sal mentioned over on Blade Forums that the upcoming Massad Ayoob sprint was only being planned at this stage for release in Plain Edge. While SE edges might not be as popular with some folk, from all user reports the Massad Ayoob in SE truly stands out from the rest. IMO if there should ever be a sprint with full Spyderedge this is it. After all those SE Matriarchs sold pretty **** quickly

Who here thinks the Massad Ayoob sprint should be released in both PE & SE??

J.

[TBob]

For an SD knife like the Ayoob, a PE is better. It doesn't snag on clothing. I'd go for a PE if it comes up in a Sprint run, depending on the scales. I'd prefer black CF or G10 scales.

[Jay_Ev]

Who here thinks the Massad Ayoob sprint should be released in both PE & SE??
J.

I do.

[Gofannon]

Mine:


But I think that SE is better for a SD knife, like the matriach. I can't explain what with my bad english but I found somenone who says what I meant:
http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1274

1. Serrations will bite into and cut through tough materials (some types of clothing) that a plain edge will simply slide off of (especially when we are talking about small 4" or less folders with little mass for cleaving -- Chinook excepted -- and you are relying on slicing power).

2. Serrations are chisel ground at a more acute angle and thus a serrated blade is literally sharper than a comparable plain-edged blade. A serrated edge can use this more acute angle and yet be more durable than a more obtuse plain-edge.

If your MBC folder will serve double duty then it hangs more on your personal preference and what your day-to-day cutting tasks are, and what you find easier to keep super sharp (very important).

Another possibility to recall is the ability to put a rough edge on a non-serrated knife. So even if you prefer plain for utility, you can keep part of the "biting" ability of serrations.

[Red Berens]

I haven't been this excited about a knife in a long time. Has anyone heard if it's planned for this year or next?

[LDB]

Combination edge. Thanks.

[vaa]

Both so there is more of a chance to get at least one of them.

[DaBird]

I voted for the SE --- from what I've read , the SE on the Ayoob cut better then the PE --- so hopefully , Sal and crew would use the same type of serrattions on the Ayoob II.

BTW --- I just got a Ayoob with SE and it is wicked --- have NOT done any cutting tests with it but I sure want to !!!!

[Carlos]

SE didn't sell well, just ask Sal. I know a site that still lists NOS SE Ayoobs as in stock. PM me if you want the link.

[mark greenman]

I'll take one of each please!



The big question for me is, will this sprint be in FFG, or in the original saber hollow?

B/C I carried the PE for a few months, and it was a pretty mediocre performer in saber hollow. It just didn't bite into materials the right way, something was off. After getting it FFG by Tom Krein, it was an amazing slicer. So a FFG PE Ayoob would be GTG.

In contrast, the SE ayoob was a cutting beast right out of the box. I still think fondly about the couch I dissected with it several years ago, it just ate that thing. :eek:

If its going to be saber, it should be in SE. The Massad Ayoob SE is truly an amazing performer.
-the negative blade angle + full belly blade makes puts a lot of scallops on the material, so its a pull cutting performer way ahead of most hawkbills.
- it passed Doc Snubnoses meat tests with flying colors in SE
-it looks badass is SE
- currently there are no other negative blade angle knives with SE
- it would be well suited to police work in SE

But ideally, much like the Matriarch, I think it should be a 600-600 PE/SE split. Divide and conquer as they say. After all, look how many people bought 1 of each of the Matriarch.

I for would buy 1 PE and 1 SE. :D

[Dr. Snubnose]

Doesn't matter PE or SE both cut the same and SE does not get caught up on clothing like other SE knives...so to me, both would be nice, but for SD either works well and both cut the same....Doc :D

[Dr. Snubnose]

Here is a reprint of the thread I posted where the Ayoob SE was meat tested:

I tested 8 more knives using the same procedure as in previous tests.* At the request of IV I did some of the more traditional to see the results. Which are as follows:
#4 Horizontal Slash into Meat for Depth of cut
Bill Moran curved Blade PE 1 1/2"
Endura FRN SE 1 1/2"
Endura FRN PE 2 1/2"
Delica FRN SE 1/4"
Delica FRN PE 1 1/2"
Civilian PE 1 3/4" (length of cut was an impressive 8 1/4")
Ayoob SE 3"
Lady Bug CE 1 1/2" (scalpel hold)
"]#5 Stab and Cut TestDepth then Lenght of Cut

Moran 2 1/2" 7 1/2"
Endura SE 2 1/2" 1"
Endura PE 3" 5 1/4"
Delica SE 3/4" 1/2"
Delica PE 2" 4 1/4"
Civilian PE No Test
Mas Ayoob SE 2 3/4" 7 1/2"
Ladybug CE 1 1/4" 2"

Interesting that the Ayoob Cut deeper than any other SE knife tested. Also interesting that the Ladybug CE did so well for it's small size. Generally speaking the SE models got caught up in the Jeans and Meat rather quickly, The Civilian cut long but didn't make the depth I would have liked to witness, I think only a small portion of the tip came in contact with the meat, based on the movement of the slash and blade design...Doc
* See previous tests #1,2,& 3, for details on testing procedure and materials.
Doc :D __________________These test were conducted with round roasts wrapped in 4 layers of saran wrap (to mimic the resistance of skin) then place inside a denim pant leg.

[DaBird]

SE didn't sell well, just ask Sal. I know a site that still lists NOS SE Ayoobs as in stock. PM me if you want the link.

Well , I'd think thats the "bottom line" !!!

[jezabel]

Just a timely BUMP for those that haven't voted.

[The Deacon]

Can't honestly say I'd be interested in another Ayoob, but if I were to break down and buy one, it would be PE.

[sal]

The sample is a plain edge and the run is scheduled to be a plain edge.

sal

[BHDKnifer]

The plain edge will make a nice safe queen and will make the apple cutters happy. But the knife was not designed for that. Not making a serrated ayoob would be a sin. Take care.

[Pinetreebbs]

The sample is a plain edge and the run is scheduled to be a plain edge.

sal

Looking forward to the bent (on cutting) knife.

[sal]

The plain edge will make a nice safe queen and will make the apple cutters happy. But the knife was not designed for that. Not making a serrated ayoob would be a sin. Take care.

Hi Knifer,

Massad wasn't all that thrilled when I said I wanted to make a serrated version. As it tuned out, the serrated version didn't sell that well.

sal

[BHDKnifer]

I can not find a lil smiley crying so this will have to do