red mag wrote:You can use B. to clean brass, but for storage I made some dissapointing experience.
I coated a large knife made of Carbon V with a brass guard with B.
A year later - the blade was fine, but the guard looked green.
Since then I use Vaseline for brass guards.
As for the phoshor bronze washers: I wouldn't dare to use it.
Imho the effect shouldn't be so drastic since there is little distance between the washers and the blade/handle which delays the process.
hope this helps
emerald
PS.: Please keep in mind, that I'm not an expert, only an observing knife-lover (for some time). :)
Hmm. Disappointing to hear.
David Lowry wrote:I'm gonna email the folks at Ballistol, as I'd like to know if I should or shouldn't use it. :)
I'll let you know.
Thank you. I look forward to hearing what you discover.
I had a similar question just yesterday.
My thoughts are that Ballistol will not harm the washers that you mention. I forwarded the question to Germany & will forward their response to you.
Thanx for the link.
Doug Brown
WTC, Inc.
BALLISTOL USA
800 253 2460
"I'm calling YOU ugly, I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." -Fred Sanford
I had a similar question just yesterday.
My thoughts are that Ballistol will not harm the washers that you mention. I forwarded the question to Germany & will forward their response to you.
Thanx for the link.
Doug Brown
WTC, Inc.
BALLISTOL USA
800 253 2460
Thanks for the info! I'd love to hear what the german HQ says, but I already surmised that it is unlikely to harm it. However I'm so protective of my spydies, even the suggestion that it could harm them makes me need want to find out for sure that it's safe before I use it. However, I certainly am going to use it on my blades for now, and tuf-glide on my pivots.
The Mentaculous wrote:Thanks for the info! I'd love to hear what the german HQ says, but I already surmised that it is unlikely to harm it. However I'm so protective of my spydies, even the suggestion that it could harm them makes me need want to find out for sure that it's safe before I use it. However, I certainly am going to use it on my blades for now, and tuf-glide on my pivots.
+1 thank you.
Also, as I've thought some more about it, although Ballistol literature says dissolves trace lead and copper, I don't think this means "dissolve" so much as "float" off. Ballistol is slightly alkaline. So far as I know, bases don't pose issues with metals. The patina on the brass guard remains a puzzler though.
I use Ballistol on all my folders. However I had not considered the bronze washers in my more recent models. I am going to wait before I lube up the new ones for that response from Germany. Its a great product but very hard to obtain in Australia. It also has quite a limited used by date.
Armalite Native wrote:I use Ballistol on all my folders. However I had not considered the bronze washers in my more recent models. I am going to wait before I lube up the new ones for that response from Germany. Its a great product but very hard to obtain in Australia. It also has quite a limited used by date.
What do you mean "used by date"? I have never seen that.
"I'm calling YOU ugly, I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." -Fred Sanford
Armalite Native wrote:It also has quite a limited used by date.
Seems to contradict the company's website:
"In 1985 a bottle with BALLISTOL was found in an attic where it had been left for over 60 years. The oil had not hardened and the chemical analysis revealed that it still had the same degree of purity as freshly produced BALLISTOL. The oil had become a little darker but not even the slightest trace of resinification could be discovered."
How odd - mine had an expiry date on the bottle :S.
I got one of those mega huge ones. I dunno I will keep using it until it goes green or solid or something. I don't eat it or put it on any eating blades - so no muss no fuss :) .
i have used rem oil, breakfree. and slick 50 lube. by far the slick 50 stuff seem to work the best as far as slicking up the moving parts. probubly none of these are good if you do allot of food prep with your knife. i dont so i use the icky slick stuff.
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kershaw Leek Buck 119 Cold Steel Recon tanto
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bada61265 wrote:i have used rem oil, breakfree. and slick 50 lube. by far the slick 50 stuff seem to work the best as far as slicking up the moving parts. probubly none of these are good if you do allot of food prep with your knife. i dont so i use the icky slick stuff.
I wondered about Rem Oil - I was hoping it would be OK, so I don't have to buy a separate lubricant for my knives. Anyone else use it?
Armalite Native wrote:How odd - mine had an expiry date on the bottle :S.
I got one of those mega huge ones. I dunno I will keep using it until it goes green or solid or something. I don't eat it or put it on any eating blades - so no muss no fuss :) .
It may be that for the european market, where can be orally consumed, a use-by date is required, whereas in US, where not approved for consumption, no need for expiration date. Just thinking out of my fingers,..
2cha wrote:It may be that for the european market, where can be orally consumed, a use-by date is required, whereas in US, where not approved for consumption, no need for expiration date. Just thinking out of my fingers,..
I think you may be onto something there. Without trying to guess where my supplier gets his wares I would hazard a guess and believe it probably is in the EU.
**** just the smell alone makes me not want to drink it :D . I also noticed that when you add water it turns a strange milky colour. No way I am going to swallow it.
This thread has been useful to me because I have over 500mls left and it will now be used for a bunch longer.
Cheers,
A
Got a nice reply today. It was also sent to someone else, but I'm not sure if they are a member of the forum or not.
Here ya go....
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The answer is good news & what I had expected.
Sorry for the tardiness of the reply, but it was mis-sent.
Thanx,
Doug Brown
WTC, Inc.
BALLISTOL USA
800 253 2460
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Christian Zettler - F.W. KLEVER GmbH
To: ___@ballistol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:32 AM
Subject: WG: Technical question on usage
Dear Doug,
sorry I send the mail below to the wrong address. It should answer both very similar questions.
Best regards,
Dr. Christian Zettler
Von: Dr. Christian Zettler - F.W. KLEVER GmbH
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Dezember 2010 10:28
An: Dr. Heinrich Zettler - F.W. KLEVER GmbH
Betreff: AW: Technical question on usage
Dear Doug,
the report of my father and brother about the visit was very interesting and we are looking forward to a good co-operation and to a successful business.
As your customer know, Ballistol has the quality to solve copper, but it is not dissolving like an acid or something like that. So he can use Ballistol also for Phosphor Bronzes, important is not to use too much Ballistol. He should spend only small amounts, this is enough for lubrication. Do not put an thick oil surface on the alloy. If your costumers follows this, everything should work fine and there will be no problems.
Thanks for the information...but it sort of sounds like it COULD damage the bronze if over applied. This leads to the question - how much is too much? I don't smear it on with gooey fingers, but now I am not sure just how much to put on :S.
Armalite Native wrote:Thanks for the information...but it sort of sounds like it COULD damage the bronze if over applied. This leads to the question - how much is too much? I don't smear it on with gooey fingers, but now I am not sure just how much to put on :S.
Totally agree.....which kinda sucks so I'll just continue to use it on my firearms from now on.
Back to mineral oil or 3-in-one oil (which ever is most easily reached).
"I'm calling YOU ugly, I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." -Fred Sanford
I might have to pick up some tuffglide or something - I love Ballistol - but I wont risk it on the bronze bushings. Other non bronze washer Spyderco however...
I guess I'll still use it on my blades, and use Tuf-glide on my pivot. Hopefully any ballistol that drips down into the pivot is too minute to cause a problem
David, please let us know what they say. Not that I'm inclined to believe anything coming from corporate America these days,
On the other hand I do use Ballistol on my knives and haven't had any difficulty.
As a matter of fact, is was about to order some from Amazon, since they seem to be the only source of the 16 oz bottles. SFO doesn't carry Ballistol anymore and suggested mil-tec as a substitute. I'd really like to continue using B because I use my knives for food prep now and again and I hate trying to remember which knife was lubed with which.
Chris
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