Whats worth more?

noodlefish · #1

the collector models or the version without the numbers and v?

down the line if i were to sell a knife would it be more sought after one way or another?

silly question maybe.

SmoothOne25 · #2

not silly. dont buy cc models. many people wont/choose not to buy them period. many reasons not to. its better to have a clean normal one for safe queen. a user... maybe not a big deal. heres a example:
if you were reselling a barong/bg42 mili one day on ebay and i saw it i would say "no, i wont buy a cc model" and me and others not wanting "someone else's" it drives the sales down cause less people want it.

2 years ago i was tricked into thinking they were better. i quickley learned my lesson when i went to sell them for new knives....

2cha · #3

Another opinion: amongst forum members there is a bias against collector club models. This may or may not be true in the whole collector world, and isn't true, for example, in my case. The bias may be short term or long term. The bias, nonetheless, exists. For short-term turn around, the market is larger for NON CC numbered knives, so you statistically would have an easier time selling. Over the long term, especially with sprint runs, it matters less--IMO.

noodlefish · #4

AWESOME!
i have my standard CPM4 Millie and i couldn't bring myself to use it
and bought the 114v one off spydie guy... i cant wait to use that m4 steel hard!

SmoothOne25 · #5

i was new to spy buying/collecting

"1 of xyz" "low number better" or any other stupid sales terms burned me. makes sense at first.

but then people are like "nah no thanx, you didnt tell me its numbered" or "oh, you dont have a normal one for sale?" or "well maybe as a user but not as a safe queen. im not paying 250 for a _super rare spy_ and want a number on it. i want just the normal production run."
also people sell and dont let you know. then you open up and are p'd off!

SmoothOne25 · #6

jess bought one to sell? :rolleyes:
mind me asking how much you paid?

noodlefish · #7

thats his name! i think it was his and 199$

SmoothOne25 · #8

noodlefish wrote:thats his name! i think it was his and 199$

wow i take that back. 199 shipped is less than i paid. i guess jess sold it even. that is ok by me. ....he not all bad.

The Deacon · #9

Truthfully, it's a mixed bag. Some folks seek out numbered knives, some treat them like they were diseased, some don't care one way or the other. Personally, I'd never pay more for one with a CC#, but I wouldn't expect to pay less either and it would not bother me if I received one.

The tangible benefit to a collector is that you know for certain that the box is the one the knife came in. The number also, for better or worse, establishes that the knife is an early specimen of its model (for numbers without a V suffix) or variant (if the number has a V suffix).

For a user, the number serves as a serial number and, potentially, could make the knife easier to recover if stolen. Since adding it would involve an extra step, a CC# also decreases the chance a knife may be a counterfeit.

Do any of those things matter? Only if they matter to the buyer.

SteelDragon · #10

I have several users with miscellaneous numbers and will buy more. For backups/collectors I prefer them without numbers. I personally don't understand numbering the first 200 knives of a Sprint Run of 500 in the first place, however I do understand how the collector program works.

cckw · #11

I am in the crowd that does not like the numbered ones. Even less on a Benchmade as there is more text involved, and the visual design of the blade was not counting on that, so throws it off balance.

SmoothOne25 · #12

cckw wrote:I am in the crowd that does not like the numbered ones. Even less on a Benchmade as there is more text involved, and the visual design of the blade was not counting on that, so throws it off balance.

word :cool:

The Deacon · #13

SteelDragon wrote:I have several users with miscellaneous numbers and will buy more. For backups/collectors I prefer them without numbers. I personally don't understand numbering the first 200 knives of a Sprint Run of 500 in the first place, however I do understand how the collector program works.

Don't know how things are now, but prior to this year, far fewer than 200 of any Sprint Run were numbered, probably closer to 60 or 70, tops. Only "subscribed" numbers get engraved, and all 200 slots were never filled. Plus, prior to this year, only "all variant" collectors would have received numbered Sprints, and there were comparatively few of them.

Simple Man · #14

Yeah, I just don't get it Deacon. It seems this aversion to CC models is a more recent occurrence. Generally if I get a CC model, my thoughts are cool, a numbered one, and that's it. No more, no less, still cuts the same, and it is uniquely identifiable. Makes me wonder if some folks need something to complain about.

unit · #15

What is worth more TO YOU?

I think that is the answer I would focus on. Collect what you like. The market for knives is made up of people...and people are harder to predict than weather.

Simple Man · #16

Yeah, no kiddin'.

bh49 · #17

I think that most of the people do not care if knife has cc number or not. In the past quite a few times I saw on e-bay CC knives with random number were catching more $$ than regular. For me personally it doesn't matter, except safe queens- small knives (Kopas, Micro-Dyads), which I prefer without CC# on the blade.

TBob · #18

unit wrote:What is worth more TO YOU?

I think that is the answer I would focus on. Collect what you like. The market for knives is made up of people...and people are harder to predict than weather.

+1

I don't care whether a knife is numbered or not. I only care how it fits in my hand and how it cuts. I wouldn't expect to pay more or less if a knife is numbered.

gbelleh · #19

I don't really care either. SmoothOne seems to be particularly bothered by the CC #s. :)
But, it won't ruin my day to get one unexpectedly (it's happened a few times).
I wouldn't count on it changing the value much either way.

SmoothOne25 · #20

gbelleh wrote:I wouldn't count on it changing the value much either way.

i guess you dont buy/sell/trade that much.
do it as much as me and you will see the value DROP or out right NO I WONT ACCEPT CC responses.

im not gonna fight you about this. you can do what you want. i know the truth. ive seen a million times during sales. no one "prefers" cc models. you get stuck with it and maybe not gripe as much since you plan to use it and scratch it up and etc etc.

a non numbered OLD super rare model WITH a number draws less money. depending on the model sometimes it may not matter. the first manix or cf mili you really want then maybe someone will say screw it and buy it. but normal buying and selling - i see it everyday. multi transaction weekly.
i see it. the choice ----with or without, always without first! numbered all you have? well i guess so...