If you have at least one knife with a ZDP-189 blade and have sharpened it yourself would you buy more knives with this steel? First poll I've started. Hope it works.
Jack
Would you buy ZDP-189 again?
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There are some knives ahead on my list but not far behind is a stretch in ZDP.
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I can not imagine why not.
Everything has its limitations and sometimes it takes a while to fully understand the limitations and how they impact you. ZDP is serious stuff, and it is not for everyone.
I am not sure what I will purchase next, but probably more of what I already have to allow for more testing of various whims I have....I need investors LOL.
Everything has its limitations and sometimes it takes a while to fully understand the limitations and how they impact you. ZDP is serious stuff, and it is not for everyone.
I am not sure what I will purchase next, but probably more of what I already have to allow for more testing of various whims I have....I need investors LOL.
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+1unit wrote:i can not imagine why not.
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Having a ZDP-189 blade was one of the reasons that I just bought a new CF Stretch. I wanted to add that characteristic to my collection. Blade length, the CF, and Boye Dent lock were the other major considerations. I wouldn't hesitation to buy another knife with a ZDP-189 blade, although CPM S30v remains my favorite blade steel at the moment, followed by VG-10. The overall knife configuration/features are more important than the specific blade steel within this group of three. I trust Sal's, Ed's, and other's judgment and expertise who work with Spyderco on knife design.
I've read the threads about folks having difficulty with edges on ZDP-189, and don't minimize those folks' experiences. I personally have no difficulty when using the Sharpmaker ultra fine ceramic sticks with the Stretch blade. It just takes more strokes, that's all. I expected that when I bought the knife. I also accept that if I ever let the edge dull significantly, something that just isn't in my nature, I'll probably have to send it back to Spyderco to re-edge. Small considerations when weighed against the blade's excellent performance and edge retention.
I've read the threads about folks having difficulty with edges on ZDP-189, and don't minimize those folks' experiences. I personally have no difficulty when using the Sharpmaker ultra fine ceramic sticks with the Stretch blade. It just takes more strokes, that's all. I expected that when I bought the knife. I also accept that if I ever let the edge dull significantly, something that just isn't in my nature, I'll probably have to send it back to Spyderco to re-edge. Small considerations when weighed against the blade's excellent performance and edge retention.
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I voted "not sure" because it best fit my situation. As I posted in the other thread, I buy knives, not steels. For my users, given the choice, on a model made in Japan I will take VG-10 over ZDP-189. However, if the only way a specific knife is available is in ZDP-189, or the only choice is between VG-10 with G-10 and ZDP-189 with anything but G-10, then I'll go with ZDP-189 if I want the knife. If the knife is a collectible, and I want it, the steel does not matter at all.
I have no major problem sharpening ZDP-189. I just feel that, while the extra extra edge holding offsets the increased sharpening effort needed, there is nothing to offset the higher cost and lower stain resistance.
I have no major problem sharpening ZDP-189. I just feel that, while the extra extra edge holding offsets the increased sharpening effort needed, there is nothing to offset the higher cost and lower stain resistance.
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I had to say yes because it wouldn't stop me from buying a knife if it were the only option, but i'm not gonna go out of my way to buy it. I sharpen my knife at the end of each day regardless of steel, which i think is probably a waste of time with ZDP, and i feel that whatever edge loss occurs during my typical EDC routine if i'm carrying VG10 will be taken care of at sharpening time.
Now...of course if we start talking about a survival type knife, or something that i would take camping or to some kind of situation where i expected to really need as much edge retention as possible and i knew i'd be doing an above average amount of cutting, i'd opt for ZDP. Then again, even with a survival situation, you can make the argument that the fact that ZDP is such a PITA to sharpen means that in the wild there's little chance you could find something to improvise sharpening on...whereas VG10 you may well be able to sharpen on a nice smooth rock (more so than ZDP at least).
Now...of course if we start talking about a survival type knife, or something that i would take camping or to some kind of situation where i expected to really need as much edge retention as possible and i knew i'd be doing an above average amount of cutting, i'd opt for ZDP. Then again, even with a survival situation, you can make the argument that the fact that ZDP is such a PITA to sharpen means that in the wild there's little chance you could find something to improvise sharpening on...whereas VG10 you may well be able to sharpen on a nice smooth rock (more so than ZDP at least).
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I definitely would buy ZDP again even though I really don't need it. VG-10 keeps an edge just fine for my uses (touched up the Urban today).
I'm fascinated by this steel by the ridiculously acute angles you can put on the edge. And the knife remains usable!!
Every vg-10 knife I sharpen I put at 30 deg inclusive. It sounds like fun to have a thinner option with ZDP. Plus the fact that I've used my Walker more than the Urban and I still don't have to touch up the edge:d It goes thru phonebook paper like butter without a snag even after cutting open my new cell phone packaging for the salesman at Best Buy and opening numerous tough duct tape wrapped packages. This steel keeps a wicked edge.
Looking forward to playing with ZDP edge angles a little after my diamond stones come in.
Charlie
I'm fascinated by this steel by the ridiculously acute angles you can put on the edge. And the knife remains usable!!
Every vg-10 knife I sharpen I put at 30 deg inclusive. It sounds like fun to have a thinner option with ZDP. Plus the fact that I've used my Walker more than the Urban and I still don't have to touch up the edge:d It goes thru phonebook paper like butter without a snag even after cutting open my new cell phone packaging for the salesman at Best Buy and opening numerous tough duct tape wrapped packages. This steel keeps a wicked edge.
Looking forward to playing with ZDP edge angles a little after my diamond stones come in.
Charlie
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Sure I would, although I wouldn’t be too upset if I couldn’t. I mean, I like the steel but I don’t put it in the same league with, say, s30v.
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This is same lame complain like ZDP is not corrosion resistant - negative marketing by however can not use this steel in production.jackknifeh wrote:The only complaint I've heard is concerning sharpening which I've had some problems myself. Even so, I voted yes on this poll just to get my 2 cents counted. I'll just work on my sharpening technique or find out why I have problems with one knife and no problems with my other ZDP knife.
Jack
If you know how to sharpen - then it will be as easy as any other steel. I do not see ever steel which can not be or even hard to sharpen, once I learn how to do this! ZDP-189 give smaller burr and so much easy to shrpen then softer "easy-to-sharpen" steel which have flapping burr hard to get rid of.
Learn how to sharpen, in all cases I heart about "hard to sharpen" ZDP-189 it was all about poor sharpening skills.
Thanks, Vassili.
Vassili,
How do you REALLY feel on the topic? Do not hold back. LOL.
Joking!
I get what you are saying, but you should understand that you possess an ability to sharpen that vastly surpasses many forum users. Further, comparing your abilities to the average knife buyer (a much larger group than "forum users") is BEYOND ridiculous.
Keep in mind that these feelings and beliefs regarding ZDP are the result of MANY users including those who lack even the abilities you have forgotten by now. ZDP is difficult to sharpen compared to other steels when you are at the limits of your abilities with other steels like VG-10 (owing partially to the difficulty of perceiving such a fine burr). Compound this with the time constraints that some people have...not everyone is willing to invest more than 20 minutes with a knife sharpening. If you are rushing the process on ZDP you will likely conclude that it is a bear to work with. Finally, not all sharpening mediums work the same.
So in summary, yeah if you can not sharpen ZDP your abilities are not good enough...it is not the steel's fault. But saying it more diplomatically, not everyone is willing to invest this much into their abilities...and therefore ZDP may be a poor fit for their needs and desires.
I just thank Spyderco for offering many options to their customers! Nurture us all, and we will smile!
How do you REALLY feel on the topic? Do not hold back. LOL.
Joking!
I get what you are saying, but you should understand that you possess an ability to sharpen that vastly surpasses many forum users. Further, comparing your abilities to the average knife buyer (a much larger group than "forum users") is BEYOND ridiculous.
Keep in mind that these feelings and beliefs regarding ZDP are the result of MANY users including those who lack even the abilities you have forgotten by now. ZDP is difficult to sharpen compared to other steels when you are at the limits of your abilities with other steels like VG-10 (owing partially to the difficulty of perceiving such a fine burr). Compound this with the time constraints that some people have...not everyone is willing to invest more than 20 minutes with a knife sharpening. If you are rushing the process on ZDP you will likely conclude that it is a bear to work with. Finally, not all sharpening mediums work the same.
So in summary, yeah if you can not sharpen ZDP your abilities are not good enough...it is not the steel's fault. But saying it more diplomatically, not everyone is willing to invest this much into their abilities...and therefore ZDP may be a poor fit for their needs and desires.
I just thank Spyderco for offering many options to their customers! Nurture us all, and we will smile!
Thanks,
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Ken (my real name)
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I haven't got a ZDP-189 knife yet but I'd love to give it a try ... I would class myself as a novice with regard to sharpening but I have managed to put a good edge on a few knives (in S30V and 440C) with the SharpMaker and a few nights ago got some wet-stones and my leather strop out and put one of the scariest edges on a GIN-1 UKPK FRN that I have ever managed ... I couldn't actually whittle hairs (probably don't have the technique :D ) but it is way, way sharp enough for my needs, so I am keen to give ZDP-189 a try sometime :D
My spydies: Squeak, Tenacious, Terzuola, D'Allara, UKPK CF peel-ply pre-production, UKPK CF smooth pre-production, UKPK G10 orange leaf-blade, UKPK FRN grey drop-point, UKPK FRN maroon leaf-blade, Bug ... all PE blades :)
My first ZDP blade was the blue D4 sprint with a saber grind. I now realize that one of the advantages of ZDP is that you can take it down to very fine angles. Arguably, the saber grind did not take full advantage of the potential here. Probably by the time I figure it out, there will be some new magic bullet steel. :D