I just ordered a leafstorm from amazon. I am hoping that, not being anywhere near a high volume knife dealer, this all might slip under their radar for a while. Also, I wonder if any dealers will have the guts to ship knives to cities other than NYC.
Just awful.
New York - Important INFO from Spyderco.com
I know that we should not post political views here.
But what I am reading here is very political.
Great "change"...............
If NYC had even Calif knife laws, they would be in heaven.......
Wonder if this is going to spread to other States?
Or is merely an oddity?
I have to think we will rise up on things like this, and not let it continue.
There I go, breaking the rules..........
Sorry.......... :o
But what I am reading here is very political.
Great "change"...............
If NYC had even Calif knife laws, they would be in heaven.......
Wonder if this is going to spread to other States?
Or is merely an oddity?
I have to think we will rise up on things like this, and not let it continue.
There I go, breaking the rules..........
Sorry.......... :o
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More S90v & CF please.......
More S90v & CF please.......
It won't stop on its own.D1omedes wrote:I can't wait for all of this nonsense to stop.
This is simply another attack on our Second Amendment rights. As concerned citizens the best thing we can do for now is to support organizations such as Knife Rights. They are actively fighting this and many similar issues around the country.
The choice is simple... stand up, get involved, or lose your rights forever.
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[quote="dbcad"]It looks like any smoothly opening folder with a lock is now being defined as a "gravity knife" by this DA. You'd be ok with a sub 4" fixed blade or a spyderco slip-it.
This seems odd. I could knife up like a Rambo wanabe in upstate NY if I limit my fixed blades to less than 4" but a Kiwi would be illegal? I can drop almost any Spyderco. Maybe I could get a consultanting position with the NY state cops as their "gravity knife tester". Seriously though, could I just tighten the pivot to where even Rambo cops could not drop it open? A thumb opening would still be workable.
This seems odd. I could knife up like a Rambo wanabe in upstate NY if I limit my fixed blades to less than 4" but a Kiwi would be illegal? I can drop almost any Spyderco. Maybe I could get a consultanting position with the NY state cops as their "gravity knife tester". Seriously though, could I just tighten the pivot to where even Rambo cops could not drop it open? A thumb opening would still be workable.
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This is all Big Time BS...yes very political, but I still can't understand Spyderco's reasons for not shipping to NYS, I can understand the NYC issue. In many of the counties there exists no restrictions on blade length of a fixed blade or folder that may be carried, but to make a Kiwi or Dragonfly for instance clipped to the pocket in NYC, an illegal and dangerous weapon is just absurd.....this must be fought....Doc :D
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Sorry to hear that your knife laws are going the same way as ours - I'd always thought of the US as the last bastion against this kind of BS ... what with your fondness for guns etc. Over here whenever then have interviewed young hooligans or the police have shown the knives they have seized a good 80% are just cheapo carving knives bought from the supermarkets for a few pounds ... easy to buy and no problem throwing them away after a crime or if the police see them. Also they proved that if a kid feels he has to carry a knife then he'll do it regardless of the laws ... the only way is to convince them not to carry in the first place ... the laws only ever affect the law-abiding.
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With all the problems our country is facing these days, WTF are elected officials worrying about these really unimportant things for??? These kind of issues should be addressed when we have a nice reserve of money, no one is hungry, kids are skinny/healthy, we all exercise, go to church, have jobs, and the list goes on and on...............
We understand that Vance intends to order prodct from outside and ship it in, thus giving them the opportunity to charge and fine them from a distance.
Sacramento County (California) did this a number of years ago and one of the large mail order houses was caught in the sting. They shipped a "lipstick" knife to Sac county and were fined $40K as "lipstick" knives are illegal in Sac county.
Until we understand how they interpret their laws, I think all will be cautious about shipping to consumers in New York to avoid such a trap. We believe our Slipits (UK, Urban, Bob T) and slip joints (Bug, honeybee, Grasshopper) and our sharpeners will be ok to own and carry in New York at this time.
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Sacramento County (California) did this a number of years ago and one of the large mail order houses was caught in the sting. They shipped a "lipstick" knife to Sac county and were fined $40K as "lipstick" knives are illegal in Sac county.
Until we understand how they interpret their laws, I think all will be cautious about shipping to consumers in New York to avoid such a trap. We believe our Slipits (UK, Urban, Bob T) and slip joints (Bug, honeybee, Grasshopper) and our sharpeners will be ok to own and carry in New York at this time.
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Thanks for the explanation Sal....now the decision makes perfect sense to me....Doc :Dsal wrote:We understand that Vance intends to order prodct from outside and ship it in, thus giving them the opportunity to charge and fine them from a distance.
Sacramento County (California) did this a number of years ago and one of the large mail order houses was caught in the sting. They shipped a "lipstick" knife to Sac county and were fined $40K as "lipstick" knives are illegal in Sac county.
Until we understand how they interpret their laws, I think all will be cautious about shipping to consumers in New York to avoid such a trap. We believe our Slipits (UK, Urban, Bob T) and slip joints (Bug, honeybee, Grasshopper) and our sharpeners will be ok to own and carry in New York at this time.
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Well this is my first post but i usually just read the threads, but this just makes me mad, I understand spyderco's reasons for not shipping knifes to NY and agree they are doing the smart thing, but I think these new laws trying to be passed are very dumb. In upstate NY where I live knives are not a big deal and even if this law does pass people aren't just going to through out their knives. I know that i will still continue to carry my Manix 2 even if their are laws against it.
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An interesting snippet from the article...
If it were about public safety then why are fixed blades okay? Do they think that someone can't get shanked with a Dexter steak knife. I smell bullshit.
An interesting snippet from the article...
Are you f'n serious? Knives that are used for people doing a service. I guess folding box cutters are next. Sounds more to me like a way to get revenue than to decrease crime. I haven't see anything about this effecting fixed blade (someone please correct me if I'm wrong)Investigators so far have swooped up more than 1,300 knives, spanning from pearl-handled blades to items sold for cutting linoleum.
If it were about public safety then why are fixed blades okay? Do they think that someone can't get shanked with a Dexter steak knife. I smell bullshit.
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Knife Rights is taking the lead in organizing a legal defense against the DA's abuses. We are working full-time organizing this effort, both at the industry level and among knife owners. If you know something we should know, please contact me at nycity@KnifeRights.org
Folks, this fight will make last Summer's fight with Customs look like a cakewalk and a bargain. However, it is a fight we, all of us, cannot afford to walk away from or lose. This is a watershed moment in the fight to protect our rights, our way of life really. If Vance succeeds, you need only look across the ocean to see what will become of us. Other major cities will hop on the bandwagon, along with the general media, for all the wrong reasons. Fighting a tidal wave like that will become even more difficult. This is where we must draw a line in the sand. We will not adapt to a new and absurd reality shoved down our throats. We will fight.
We will need support from every element of the knife community, from manufacturers all the way down to all of us who own and use these essential tools. We will all have to share the burden of this fight. Legal battles cost a fortune and no single part of the community can afford to fight it alone, but together we can, we must, do it.
We will not stand by and allow our way of life to be decimated. We choose to fight. We chose to say, "not here, not now, not ever!"
If you have not yet done so, please become a Knife Rights member and please give generously to support this fight. This is YOUR fight, not your neighbors. You cannot wait for someone else to do it for you. We cannot afford to fail, but we cannot afford to fight without your support: http://www.KnifeRights.org
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Folks, this fight will make last Summer's fight with Customs look like a cakewalk and a bargain. However, it is a fight we, all of us, cannot afford to walk away from or lose. This is a watershed moment in the fight to protect our rights, our way of life really. If Vance succeeds, you need only look across the ocean to see what will become of us. Other major cities will hop on the bandwagon, along with the general media, for all the wrong reasons. Fighting a tidal wave like that will become even more difficult. This is where we must draw a line in the sand. We will not adapt to a new and absurd reality shoved down our throats. We will fight.
We will need support from every element of the knife community, from manufacturers all the way down to all of us who own and use these essential tools. We will all have to share the burden of this fight. Legal battles cost a fortune and no single part of the community can afford to fight it alone, but together we can, we must, do it.
We will not stand by and allow our way of life to be decimated. We choose to fight. We chose to say, "not here, not now, not ever!"
If you have not yet done so, please become a Knife Rights member and please give generously to support this fight. This is YOUR fight, not your neighbors. You cannot wait for someone else to do it for you. We cannot afford to fail, but we cannot afford to fight without your support: http://www.KnifeRights.org
Follow Knife Rights on Twitter and receive the latest updates and notices as soon as they occur: http://twitter.com/KnifeRights
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Sal, I really hope that you and your competitors not only protect yourself (by stopping to ship product) but put up a legal fight as well. As a manufacturer you must have rights too. What happens if most of the country (USA) adopts these policies? Do you just watch your business go away? I hope that never happens as it's clear to me that you and your son and all of your staff are nice, dedicated people, creating a great product and just trying to live the American dream. And, I love your knives above all others.
I posted this in another thread about the DA in NY. I am repeating here because it's bigger than the DA and it led to what Sal finds himself forced to do for the good of his business.
I knew that the City was getting ridiculous pertaining to many laws including knife carry. Simply put, Mayor Bloomberg wants to change NYC into his own private fiefdom, and appoint cronies (the DA) to do his bidding. He wants to mold the city into whatever his vision of a city it should be.
Furthermore, to help make sure he can accomplish his mission, he not so long ago strong armed the city council into dropping term limits on the office of Mayor. Hence he is the Mayor again and maybe for life.
In NYC if you toot your car horn, even for a perfectly safe driver defensive reason a cop will give you a $350 ticket.
The city is turning into a dictatorship. Further in NY State they want to ban the legal possession, by private citizens, of semi automatic pistols.
We are turning into a really strange form of "free country".
Beware what happens in New York is then copied in places like Boston Cleveland Atlanta, and so on.
This truly sucks. I will contact my Assemblyman and Senator!
I posted this in another thread about the DA in NY. I am repeating here because it's bigger than the DA and it led to what Sal finds himself forced to do for the good of his business.
I knew that the City was getting ridiculous pertaining to many laws including knife carry. Simply put, Mayor Bloomberg wants to change NYC into his own private fiefdom, and appoint cronies (the DA) to do his bidding. He wants to mold the city into whatever his vision of a city it should be.
Furthermore, to help make sure he can accomplish his mission, he not so long ago strong armed the city council into dropping term limits on the office of Mayor. Hence he is the Mayor again and maybe for life.
In NYC if you toot your car horn, even for a perfectly safe driver defensive reason a cop will give you a $350 ticket.
The city is turning into a dictatorship. Further in NY State they want to ban the legal possession, by private citizens, of semi automatic pistols.
We are turning into a really strange form of "free country".
Beware what happens in New York is then copied in places like Boston Cleveland Atlanta, and so on.
This truly sucks. I will contact my Assemblyman and Senator!