EDC, but no gun?

[Toad310]

Franciscomv, can you tell us what country you are in?

Another gun owner here! I am glad we can have them for personal protection.

We Can't really get carry permits here in California, but all the little gang members have guns, and carry them.

Something I think about, do you think the little craps in gangs can field strip, and service their weapons?

[yablanowitz]

Franciscomv, can you tell us what country you are in?

Another gun owner here! I am glad we can have them for personal protection.

We Can't really get carry permits here in California, but all the little gang members have guns, and carry them.

Something I think about, do you think the little craps in gangs can field strip, and service their weapons?

He's in Argentina.

Of course the little bangers can field strip their guns. Why else would they always seem to have tape holding them together? :D

[ssmtbracer]

What that sane if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them.

[J D Wijbenga]

Carrying a gun in the Netherlands is very illegal and carries heavy penalties. For me it is a strange idea to carry a gun every day. Not right or wrong just far removed from my reality.

JD

[JaM]

I own an airrifle. :D 4.5 mm all the way !!
Seriously: I could own one if I wanted to go through the hassle of the papers, a gun-vault at home, and the membership of a gunclub.
But I still could NOT carry one, unless I was LEO or Military. Not legally anyway.

So no "real" guns for me.

[tortoise]

On duty every day, its a G19 with a S&W 642 or a G26 back up.

Off, it's the Smith or the mini Glock.

-Plus of course the Mili, or the Sebenza.

Last I heard, Sal was a High Power guy. :spyder:

[Lord vader]

I carry a 38 colt detective special everyday and also have a permit.I generally carry concealed as to not draw a lot of attention to myself.I like the element of surprise.I`m sure a lot of us carry, but this topic does not come up much,but is welcome.

[Jordan]

I've been known to carry a little firepower with me now and again. :)


Unfortunately, off duty... no CHL, so no carry. That is a problem I intend to address when I get back to Texas though.

[FLYBYU44]

You can't carry a gun here, it's illegal. Also I don't think I would carry even if I could, just a pain having to lug something around that you will likely never use. I don't even have any long guns as I can't be bothered to go and do the course for them and fill out all the paper work. I have an air pistol, 10M target, that keeps me happy.

[redhawk44357]

i have guns and have shot all types of guns, but i dont carry for many reasons. the moral reason for sure, and the fear of prosicution (sp) . i dont have the bucks for a good lawyer. i DO carry a cane ( i need it ) and work with it for defense use. i carry a C2 tazer and knives. mace on occasion. Different senierios dictate different responses. I tend to be "layered" so i can defuse the situation , if possible, before things get out of hand. "MY TWO CENTS"

[ColtCobra]

i have guns and have shot all types of guns, but i dont carry for many reasons. the moral reason for sure, and the fear of prosicution (sp) . i dont have the bucks for a good lawyer. i DO carry a cane ( i need it ) and work with it for defense use. i carry a C2 tazer and knives. mace on occasion. Different senierios dictate different responses. I tend to be "layered" so i can defuse the situation , if possible, before things get out of hand. "MY TWO CENTS"

Just curious,what are your moral reasons for not carrying a gun?

[FLYBYU44]

Just curious,what are your moral reasons for not carrying a gun?

I'm guessing he doesn't want to kill someone... :) Sorry, couldn't resist being a smartass.

[ColtCobra]

I'm guessing he doesn't want to kill someone... :) Sorry, couldn't resist being a smartass.

It could come down to a situation when it becomes necessary to do that,"Kill or be killed".

[Jordan]

That is a good point Colt... and a strong argument against carrying a firearm for anyone who isn't sure they could use it to end a life if such a time came. Best case, you get lucky and the other guy isn't willing to take a chance. Worst case, you have paid an assailant the favor of carrying a weapon around for him to use against you... or offered him a good excuse to escalate the situation and produce his own firearm.

In the Army, we try to train around the unwillingness to pull the trigger. The idea is, you keep going through the motions (low ready to high ready, safety off, shoot shoot, safety on, low ready) until when you actually might have to do the job, the brain is kept out of the equation altogether... it becomes purely a faculty of muscle memory. I have been thoroughly annoyed by all the reflexive fire training I've been subject to in my short time in the service (feels a bit silly while you are doing it...), but I am glad to have had those maneuvers thoroughly ingrained so that when I need them, I won't have to face any moral tribulations. I can't say that I foresee any hangups... but I'm glad not to have to worry about it.

People without a military or law enforcement background, in my experience, rarely have the time or inclination to develop these patterns of behavior. In the absence of physical conditioning, one must pay extra attention to mental conditioning. If you aren't confident in your mental condition... don't carry a pistol. I think that anyone who realizes this and includes it in their reasoning behind not carrying is to be recognized as a rational and responsible individual.

Just my two cents :) .

[VictorLouis]

.... i dont carry for many reasons. the moral reason for sure, and the fear of prosicution (sp) . i dont have the bucks for a good lawyer. i DO carry a cane ( i need it ) and work with it for defense use. i carry a C2 tazer and knives. mace on occasion. Different senierios dictate different responses. I tend to be "layered" ...

Working backwards, I too prefer to be layered. The Taser C2 is an excellent product that I've recently added to the matrix. Any sort of fisticuffs is similar to a knife engagement. You may "win", however you define that. But, you may just get injured in the process. If the use of OC, or a Taser, keeps you injury-free...that's more of a WIN, anyway you slice it.

From what I've seen, the cane be a darned handy, and innocuous, tool for that use. The fact that you NEED it can only help you if you ever had to employ it. In other words, your assailant was clearly preying on one he thought might be to weak to respond. I'm glad you see the advantage in training with it.

Here's where I get really confused. Clearly you have the ability to defend yourself from physical attact, at least to some extent. Obviously you intend to do so, if you ever need to. Why else would you carry the tools, otherwise? However, you seem to draw the line if your defense would somehow prove fatal to your attacker? :confused:

Isn't your freedom from attack and injury paramount? Don't you have that right...indeed, responsibility? Why doesn't that right continue on, up to and including the death of your attacker?{If, of course, his actions warrant your justified use of fatal force.}

[DMgangl]

Very interesting responses to this thread. My experience from talking to people in the past, if you didn't grow up around guns for some it becomes a strange concept.

I have carried a 1911 for the last couple of years. For a while I also had a Keltec P32I. I used to work at a shooting range and was required to carry while working, and I have been into guns for a long time. While I am sure if I am every forced into the situation to defend myself, it will probably be one of the worst experiences of my life. But I would still do everything I can to survive and save my family.

DM

[2cha]

From what I've seen, the cane be a darned handy, and innocuous, tool for that use. The fact that you NEED it can only help you if you ever had to employ it.

Wasn't there a Steve McQueen movie where he kicked but with a cane?

[HotSoup]

Do not have the right to carry in my country.
I COULD get firearms, but have no use for them. Handguns are just way to much hassle.

Maybe I'll get a couple rifles one day just to shoot for fun, but its not something I need right now.

Heres hoping I get into the Canadian Forces and get to use the C7!

[gac]

Wasn't there a Steve McQueen movie where he kicked but with a cane?

Maybne you are thinking of James Caan.

[unloved]

I own firearms and recently bought first pistol. I took class so I could get CCW, but am undecided about whether to get concealed carry permit--if I do it, it'll be because I want to exercise the right, not because I feel like packing would make me any safer.

What class? There's no class required here in PA.