this is just wrong

[ColonelX1]

one major company blatantly ripping off another wow

http://sogknives.com/store/SP-24.html

[brandonreed2008]

disgusting..

[Toad310]

Wonder if the slot in the hole gets them off the hook for Spyderco's copyright.

Unless they paid for use of the design, it sure looks like another company ripping off another.

[Jay_Ev]

Probably getting by on a technicality because it isn't a round opening hole, it's oval shaped.

[The Deacon]

Even without the rather odd cutout, the opener hole is not round, so no issue there. Blade and handle shapes are both generic enough that I don't see any issue there. With an almost 5" blade, it's enough bigger than anything Spyderco makes that I'm inclined to think it will "fill a niche" rather than competing for an existing market. Not my cup of tea, but don't see it as "wronging" Spyderco.

[Piet.S]

There is a smaller version too.
With a 3.25'' blade.

I do find it very disappointing and a stolen design.
Which I believe is a humiliating thing to do for a company.

[araneae]

In hand, the knife points instinctually and feels familiar.

Perhaps because its an Endura with a few tweaks. What a crap move for SOG to make. I never owned one of their knives, but always thought they seemed like a decent company. This changes my mind.

The frn on the smaller one is also pretty reminiscent of the Byrd handles...

[Blerv]

They also seem to use spyderco's same teeth on serrated models.

I think the hole is poor taste. Then again, it's basically a stainless Cara Cara for twice the money. =p

[JD Spydo]

They also seem to use spyderco's same teeth on serrated models.

I think the hole is poor taste. Then again, it's basically a stainless Cara Cara for twice the money. =p

Hey Blerv if that's really true then they are in some trouble. Because I have definitely heard from who I deem to be a very reliable source that Spyderco has indeed patented some, if not all of their serration patterns. It seems like I also read that in the "Spyderco STory" by Delavigne some time back.

It's amazing the outright unscrupulous depths that some corporations will stoop to I've never owned an SOG knife and I know now I probably never will either :mad:

Unless they have a licensing agreement that we are unaware of>> then I would say this really stinks bad.

[Donut]

I believe the spyderco story mentions that the serration pattern was never patented... And that is why everyone uses the same pattern now.

The other interesting thing is that by opening the hole, they have copied the wave opener, too. That is patented as well.

I'm interested to see what the other side looks like. They say they are using their patented deep pocket carry clip, but if it was like all the rest of their clips I would see it from this side of the knife. I don't see it in that picture.

[yablanowitz]

There is a thread on Bladeforums.com with links to several more pictures, at least one of which shows the clip. Even if Spyderco had patented their serration pattern, patents run out. The patent on opening holes (actually, the patent was for a depression) ran out many years ago. The round opening hole and the Byrd comet hole are both registered trademarks of Spyderco Inc. This SOG does not use either of those trademarked shapes. I'm not sure the cut in the top of the hole would act as an Emerson Wave, but if it does, it may or may not infringe on the patent. It would depend on the exact wording of that patent.

The handle shape does appear to be a direct copy of the Endura 4. Their clip does make for very low profile carry. But the cut in the top of the opening hole looks like it would compromise the strenth of the blade. I'm not about to try one to see.

[npueppke]

I don't think there's anything Spyderco can do about it... cleverly using an oval hole and putting that cut out in it.

Infringements aside... what a stupid way to design a knife! Putting that cutout in the hole significantly weakens the blade at that point. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust that knife to do more than open an envelope, and then only if it's the thin kind.

[demtek9]

Puke

[npueppke]

That's a lot of money too, for a piece of crap stamped steel from China.

[The Deacon]

SOG is most certainly not the only knife company using the Spyderedge "2 small, 1 large, and repeat" pattern nowadays. I recall looking through an A. G. Russell catalog and seeing at least half a dozen brands using it.

The handle shape does appear to be a direct copy of the Endura 4. Their clip does make for very low profile carry. But the cut in the top of the opening hole looks like it would compromise the strenth of the blade. I'm not about to try one to see.

But it's also very close to the 1st Generation Endura any patents on which, like those on the Spyderedge serrations would have run out by now if they existed.

[Sequimite]

I'm not sure the cut in the top of the hole would act as an Emerson Wave, but if it does, it may or may not infringe on the patent. It would depend on the exact wording of that patent.

It looks like it is more likely to catch the edge of your pocket and pull it out of your hand.

They must have worked overtime to make it that ugly. But in accordance with forum rules I only mean "ugly" in the nicest way.

[alexvzin]

With an almost 5" blade, it's enough bigger than anything Spyderco makes

I trink it is a mistake on page. With 4.75" blade length it can't have overall length 8.56". I think blade length 3.75", exactly the same, as Endura have.

[defenestrate]

I'd have to say that this would be legal, though I'd absolutely be happier buying a Byrd SS PE Cara Cara at half the price or less (I've already bought one, in fact, and it's a fine implement). the blade-weakening slot cut looks like either like an attempt to look like without violating a trademark or an easily modifiable-to-wave function which would make me think to Emerson's patent. Either way, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Doesn't this thread belong in the knock-offs area?

[zenheretic]

Discussing the subject good, disgusting the subject bad. :D

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28093

[Farmer Brown]

It just looks...

...ugly.

I think there are a bunch of guys going crazy over this as well here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... p?t=707757

Go to the last few posts.