2009 Forum Knife Go LIVE Info

[Jay_Ev]

I suggest we let this thread die, and i hope Kristi locks it.

I can see your point but with all due respect, these forums are for everyone, not just people who share the same opinion as you do.

[pcmike]

I just want everyone to know that in the past couple days only two people contacted me with regards to the post I made earlier in this thread. What it was all about is due to unforeseen circumstances I have to sell both my forum natives and wanted to sell them for the price I paid to fellow forum members who didn't get a chance to buy one. The first person who contacted me has subsequently told me he intended on buying both of the knives leaving the second person (member 'Lockback') without the chance to purchase a forum native from me. If there is anyone out there who is looking to sell their forum native for the price they paid.... PLEASE PM Lockback and allow him first chance to buy it.

Thanks.

[v8r]

I can see your point but with all due respect, these forums are for everyone, not just people who share the same opinion as you do.

With all due respect I feel these forums have taken on a negative aspect lately.I never assumed everyone thinks, or has the same opinion as me.When folks want to Flame a guy for earning a living, that just makes me angry.I don't feel the man did anything wrong or dishonest.I learned a long time ago that going around being bitter about everything does nobody any good.

[Blerv]

Wow there are some folks here that never cease to amaze me. If I was in Jess's shoes my video would not be near as lighthearted.If you guys would have stepped on my toes like Jess's I would have for sure been up in your face.It's time to quit beating this dead horse for crying out loud.You people keep on going like you are going and Sal will probably never do anything for us forumites again.It's time to grow up people....It's a purple knife for crying out loud!There are far more important things to worry about in my life than wether some guy bought 7 forum knives. I suggest we let this thread die, and i hope Kristi locks it.


Oh ya David I know we did the peanut butter and jelly thing, lets do Hamburgers this time. I like lettuce, pickle, a fried onion ring on bottom, BBQ sauce , and a little mustard. :D

[ Thoughts removed for Peanut Butter & Jelly ]

V8R

Out of respect of the request, and the fact that most of us have spoken our minds (I know I have), I don't want to keep this going any longer than you do. I politely bow out of this thread.

I will say, in all respect to you, if you posted a "in his shoes" clenched fist video on Youtube besides feeling good for about 5 hours...I believe you would see a HUGE revenue drop from royally insulting loyalists. Sometimes words are easier to dish than to erase (or justify) and written words never go away.

I don't say this as a proverbial gauntlet slap but as kindhearted exchange of philosophy. This avatar im posting under is not linked to a business or my real name/occupation. If it was, I would personally be very political with my words and tactics. I am a "keep it real" kind of person but also respect the dollar bill.

T

[Blerv]

With all due respect I feel these forums have taken on a negative aspect lately.I never assumed everyone thinks, or has the same opinion as me.When folks want to Flame a guy for earning a living, that just makes me angry.I don't feel the man did anything wrong or dishonest.I learned a long time ago that going around being bitter about everything does nobody any good.

I think the forums in general are very jovial. I am a new member but have not felt any animosity or negativity.

Perhaps Spyderco is spoiling us a bit with all the fun knives and features and we are getting demanding (FFG or bust, G10 or go home, etc). In the world of knives, with the exception of some of the knife makers we really don't know as much as we think we do. Sal, Eric & Crew are the guru's of reality.

In regards to a specific peanut butter situation, it was a serious uproar. There are some people who love the native, FFG and the color purple. Some are being more immature than they should as there was ample opportunity to buy the knives. Still, everyone should make a mental note so that history doesn't repeat itself. This has been a great learning experience in regards to business and society...seeing it as frustrating won't bring any good in the end.

I think in the future Spyderco will do more forum knives because they are showing appreciation to their enthusiasts. They seem like a crew that grows and evolves rather than holding grudges. They might just use a pre-order system instead. :)

[Jay_Ev]

With all due respect I feel these forums have taken on a negative aspect lately.I never assumed everyone thinks, or has the same opinion as me.When folks want to Flame a guy for earning a living, that just makes me angry.I don't feel the man did anything wrong or dishonest.I learned a long time ago that going around being bitter about everything does nobody any good.

These people are posting opinions that differ from yours. Demanding that a thread be closed, locked, etc. because they don't share the same opinion as you sends the message that their opinion is not tolerated or is somehow of lesser value. Are they not entitled to have a voice?

[The Deacon]

With all due respect I feel these forums have taken on a negative aspect lately.I never assumed everyone thinks, or has the same opinion as me.When folks want to Flame a guy for earning a living, that just makes me angry.I don't feel the man did anything wrong or dishonest.I learned a long time ago that going around being bitter about everything does nobody any good.

Your logic is flawed. there hare honorable ways to earn a living, and ways which most would consider dishonorable. By your logic, someone bragging about running credit card scams should be praised for his inventiveness. The closest analogy to the behavior being criticized by some here is ticket scalping. Don't know too many folks who consider that an honorable profession.

Jess was never singled out, until he chose to single himself out in several ways, then withdraw from the community, and finally mock it. What was condemned initially, and rightly so in my opinion, was the perversion of Spyderco's intent by all of those who bought these knives in quantity for resale. He chose to make himself the poster boy for that group, then act surprised and hurt when everyone did not say "oh, it's Jess doing it, so it's ok".

The "they are dealers" argument does not hold water. If Spyderco had wanted dealers involved in this, they'd have offered dealer pricing and distributed the knives through normal channels as they do with Sprints and most other limited items.

The "they did Spyderco a favor" argument does not hold water. Buying quantities of a limited production item the instant it's released is not noble, it's greedy. If, two weeks, a week, or even a few days, after the release there had been a large number still available, then anyone buying up the remaining stock would have been seen in a totally different light. That would, I'm sure, have been considered noble by most of use. Starting to do so within minutes of the knife's release has more in common with the behavior of ticket scalpers, market manipulators, and post-disaster profiteers.

The "they are giving some away" argument does not hold water. Doing so is still using those knives to promote thier own enterprises, which again, was not why they were built.

[araneae]

Well said Paul.

[Praxis]

I agree, well said.

I have no dog in the fight, because I really wan't interested in the Forum Native, but I can completely understand why people would be upset with certain individuals "gaming" the system for their personal profit. There are plenty of Spydercos out there for dealers to sell; the Forum Native was intended for forum members, not dealers and/or scalpers

[shooter45]

I was planning on getting a forum native would have been my 1st forum knife. But unfortunatly had a death in the family close to release date so never made it on to order was kind of bummed. Then when I saw some on ebay could not believe it and selling for alot more than they went for. So in the end guess I am not getting one. Oh well maybe if they ever do another I will be ready this time.

[v8r]

These people are posting opinions that differ from yours. Demanding that a thread be closed, locked, etc. because they don't share the same opinion as you sends the message that their opinion is not tolerated or is somehow of lesser value. Are they not entitled to have a voice?

Yes everyone has the right to have a opinion.Just like Jess has a right to sell knives.I feel sometimes things turn in to a flame fest.I come here because the wealth of knowledge and what used to be a friendly spirit.I don't agree with everybody here, and believe nobody is perfect.Besides Ye who is perfect be the one to cast the first stone.There is no way he could have known those knives were going to sell out so quickly,and he is not the only one who bought more than one. :)

[JCMED]

Just ordered 3. Two for me, one for a buddy.

"The "they are giving some away" argument does not hold water. Doing so is still using those knives to promote thier own enterprises, which again, was not why they were built."

So whats is going to be Deacon... I got 1 forum knife. You got 3 and I bet you get all upset at me for being cross about it huh?

:mad: You know what.... THIS IS BS!!! :mad: can any one say TWO FACED! Ya'll need to get you geriatric manties out of a bunch! I don't understand how you can get sooooooooo upset at a man for supporting his family when you bought half as many forum knives as he did. I got one word for ya QUICHURBITCHIN!

I'm going to apologize to Spyderco for the insane posts and crap some people.. I mean "PERFECT EXPERTS" who never do anything wrong, put you through. TazKristi.. please, please, accept my apology and lock this ridiculous thread.

[LorenzoL]

I will add one last post to this thread before it starts to become nasty and personal.
If Sal & Kristi had intended the 2009 Forum Knife to go to as many Forum Members as possible, they would have found a way to:
a- Make more of them;
b- Limit the number each member could buy.
They could also have specifically asked dealers who also happen to be members not to buy any with the intent of re-selling them.

Because this is still a free country, they did not do any of the above. Also, a Forum Knife has a meaning if it is somewhat rare, believe me, if these were still available from the SFO nobody would be talking about it the way we are.

Finally, having a knife that triples in value over a 10-day period is a huge asset for Spyderco, it shows how strong its customer/fan base is. Compare that to Benchmade where M4 AFCKs are now selling below MSRP on the secondary market.
The 2009 Forum Knife success is simply a reflection of how desirable Spydercos have become in the eye of collectors.

[The Deacon]

"The "they are giving some away" argument does not hold water. Doing so is still using those knives to promote thier own enterprises, which again, was not why they were built."

So whats is going to be Deacon... I got 1 forum knife. You got 3 and I bet you get all upset at me for being cross about it huh?

:mad: You know what.... THIS IS BS!!! :mad: can any one say TWO FACED! Ya'll need to get you geriatric manties out of a bunch! I don't understand how you can get sooooooooo upset at a man for supporting his family when you bought half as many forum knives as he did. I got one word for ya QUICHURBITCHIN!

I'm going to apologize to Spyderco for the insane posts and crap some people.. I mean "PERFECT EXPERTS" who never do anything wrong, put you through. TazKristi.. please, please, accept my apology and lock this ridiculous thread.

Well, to be accurate, I only ordered two for myself. The third, as I noted orignally, was merely ordered by me as a favor for a fellow forumite who, if the circumstances had been reversed, would have done the exact same thing for me. If that makes you cross, it makes you cross. If you want to post that it makes you cross, that's your right. If it would make you even more cross to know that, if he'd asked me to order two for him I'd have done so, then consider yourself free to be more cross. To me, being able to do a favor for another forumite is part of what makes this a great place. On the other hand, if it would make you any less cross to know that, anytime there has been a limit, that limit has been two, then feel free to feel less cross.

And, in the interest of "full disclosure", :rolleyes: when I found out that I would be receiving yet another one as a member of the Collectors Club, :eek: I re-homed one of my original two with another forumite who had posted that he missed out on them. Didn't give it away, to promote a business, didn't give it away at all, didn't sell it for a profit either, just passed it on to someone I felt would appreciate it and who'd gotten shut out. Again, I you want to get YOUR manties in a bunch over that, be my guest.

[JBE]

You know what really stinks...when I read this thread it makes me think for a moment that I'm actually on one of those "other" knife forums. I have been a member of these forums for a very long time and I'm having a hard time recalling a thread getting so "dirty" so quick....It's really a shame because this is the last place I would have ever thought where the forum members would start stinking up the place so readily.

Am I disappointed that I didn't get a chance to purchase a forum knife? **** yes I am! :mad:

Do I think there are certain individuals who took advantage of the demand for this knife to turn a profit? Yes. Does it upset me? Yes. Will they get my business? No. I'll just do without until I happen to come across one for a "reasonable" price. I refuse to let myself be gouged.

Should Spyderco have limited the number of pieces per individual? Yes, but hindsight is 20/20 and given past sales of Forum knives I can't really blame them for not limiting purchases. Through the years I have seen countless people saying they would buy a Forum knife and when the knife was actually released, Spyderco was left holding the bag so to speak. I think a limited pre-order would have been the best bet. Limiting the amount one could purchase would help insure more members would have a chance to get one and pre-order would give Spyderco the ability to judge sales.

We can beat this thing to death with our individual opinions, but what's done is done and it can't be changed now no matter how much we want it to and how much some of us may think the situation sucks. I think a lot of lessons were learned by many different people in this. It's time to pull up our britches and move on.

For those of you who want to continue to gripe and B**** there are other forums who will welcome you with open arms. Just be warned...your reception probably won't be very warm and your stay will probably be short lived as you'll find most here are much more tolerant to this type of BS but we all have our limits and enough is enough.

Time to get over it....

[jonUSA,EARTH]

well said paul.

+1...

[BHDKnifer]

Your logic is flawed. there hare honorable ways to earn a living, and ways which most would consider dishonorable. By your logic, someone bragging about running credit card scams should be praised for his inventiveness. The closest analogy to the behavior being criticized by some here is ticket scalping. Don't know too many folks who consider that an honorable profession.

Jess was never singled out, until he chose to single himself out in several ways, then withdraw from the community, and finally mock it. What was condemned initially, and rightly so in my opinion, was the perversion of Spyderco's intent by all of those who bought these knives in quantity for resale. He chose to make himself the poster boy for that group, then act surprised and hurt when everyone did not say "oh, it's Jess doing it, so it's ok".

The "they are dealers" argument does not hold water. If Spyderco had wanted dealers involved in this, they'd have offered dealer pricing and distributed the knives through normal channels as they do with Sprints and most other limited items.

The "they did Spyderco a favor" argument does not hold water. Buying quantities of a limited production item the instant it's released is not noble, it's greedy. If, two weeks, a week, or even a few days, after the release there had been a large number still available, then anyone buying up the remaining stock would have been seen in a totally different light. That would, I'm sure, have been considered noble by most of use. Starting to do so within minutes of the knife's release has more in common with the behavior of ticket scalpers, market manipulators, and post-disaster profiteers.

The "they are giving some away" argument does not hold water. Doing so is still using those knives to promote thier own enterprises, which again, was not why they were built.

Very well said Paul.

[knifedude]

Thanks to MCM, I got mine today and am very happy with it. The willingness to help other members out is, one of the reasons, that sets this forum out from allot of other forums out there. This is a great place to be able to hang out, discuss things, and learn. Thanks again MCM. :D

[MaxStatic]

Compare that to Benchmade where M4 AFCKs are now selling below MSRP on the secondary market.

I haven't seen one go for less than $300 lately.

Both the Spyderco Forum Native and the BM 806 were highly popular and anticipated. There were those that missed out on one or both. Neither is selling for "low" prices these days and I doubt, at this point, ever will.

[Pneumothorax]

A relatively uninvolved perspective. I missed out on the Forum knife due to travel, so I have not been following this thread until yesterday. I have to say that I am surprised at the violent disagreement and argument going on here. Everyone is entitled to and has an opinion, but this forum is usually above the type of name calling and not so subtle jabs at people using civilized language. I hesitate in even posting this because of whatever commentary I might get. Some before me said there were lessons learned on all sides about this - I hope we dont do this on this forum again. Who am I to say this since Im not a very frequent poster or forum elder - it really doesnt matter. I hope this single issue has not drawn lines in the sand between folks that cannot be erased with time. With this post Im not opening this thread again.