Surviving Edged Weapons: An Informational.

[kimjune01]

Watch at least halfway through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr30p0aZl0

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[Clawhammer]

I don't know what to say!? :D

[gac]

That is bizarre. I like the part at 0:55 the most.

[MaxStatic]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA! Funny stuff!

I especially like the cop car driving away at a high rate of speed from the guy with the machete. I dunno, maybe things are different where this "help" video was shot but where I worked as LEO if someone had a machete and started running at me with it, they were getting 00 buck in the face, .223 in the chest, or .40 in the chest in rapid succession, end of story. They get a "STOP!" and if no comply BANG BANG BANG BANG :D

The other funny thing is that most of the attacks that are shown could be executed with a ballpoint pen to the same result. "Of course you are aware of the balisong or butterfly knife..." Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[dsmegst]

Wow, that was weird...

[dialex]

:-? What's the point of the video? It started like an educational clip and turned into a Trantino movie...

[Clawhammer]

That Mexican with the razor blades in his baseball cap was an eye opener for me! I'd never have thought of that from a potential assailant.

[Jimd]

Some of the things in that video were **** good illustrative points. As most of you know, I work inside a huge prison, so I've been on the receiving end of a number of edged weapons, and seen many other people carved up with them.

The attacks occur at lightning speed with NO, I say again, NO warning most of the time. Even those of us who work "on the inside" and who are on guard against such attacks are often taken by surprise by them. Now imagine how the average person on the street, who's never been attacked, can be ignorant to how fast an attack can come.

Remember, the bad guy knows what he's going to do before the victim does most of the time. Action beats reaction! You can die from it.

I've seen a knife attack as it unfolded and it ended with a man being murdered. I've seen many, many more guys sliced open and many of them were dead or dying when I saw them.

It's grim, it's disgusting, and it is terrifying when it's in real life.

I know, I know...."I'll just pull out my trusty (fill in the blank here with your favorite zombie-blasting weapon) and fill 'em full of holes. Guess what - you might not have the time. It happens fast.

And guess what else; you might shoot the bad guy and he won't even realize he's been shot and he'll keep coming to kill you. I've seen a few seriously wounded guys, one of whom died a few minutes later, continue their attack as if they weren't even injured. You know when most people realize that they've been shot/stabbed/injured? Afterward, when someone notices that there's blood dripping on the floor.

If the bad guy is within 30 feet, he has a good chance of getting to you before you clear your weapon from the leather. And remember...that's assuming you know what he's going to do and your mind is in gear and you're all prepared for it. How often are you in that state? Do you always have a firearm on you? Hmmmmmm?

Each time I've been involved in edged weapons combat, I was very scared for my life. Terrified. Don't assume that you'll react in any particular way because until it happens, you do not know how you will react. Period. End of story.

Your fine motor skills will likely go to ****. Tunnel vision might very well set in. Auditory exclusion, where you don't hear much of anything. Tachy Psychia, where everything seems to go into slow motion. Been there, done that, had it all happen to me. There were even portions of the attacks that my mind blocked out and I couldn't recollect until later on, perhaps when someone mentioned the particulars.

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can result. You can have flashbacks, movies in your mind that you have no control over. The **** incident will begin replaying in your mind at the most inconvenient times and there's not a **** thing you can do about it. Anxiety. Depression. Had it all.

Do not take this lightly, people. I've lived it, and it ain't a joke.

[Clawhammer]

If the bad guy is within 30 feet, he has a good chance of getting to you before you clear your weapon from the leather.

Your fine motor skills will likely go to ****.

I hear ya!, The last time I was in 'trouble', I found I couldn't even make a fist, let alone use all those fancy moves they showed me in Martial Arts classes...it was all open hands, elbows, knees and headbutts. I'm stuffed if I know how Coppers in these situations can handle firearms...I now understand why Glock's safe-action-trigger is the most copied innovation in firearms at the moment. Previously, the thought of carrying a pistol in condition zero would've left me stone cold, but since that last incident...

And they showed us about that 30 foot knife attack lesson too,... by the time the student had drawn and racked the slide (didn't have the chance to even aim) the Sensei had covered 10 metres and put in two dummy stabs!

The lesson he was teaching was...there's only one defence against a knife attack....running away! He taught us theory and drills against blunt weapons, axehandles etc...but when it came to knives...it was always the same! Run. (at least at the lower traing levels that i was in)

[Jimd]

And they showed us about that 30 foot knife attack lesson too,... by the time the student had drawn and racked the slide (didn't have the chance to even aim) the Sensei had covered 10 metres and put in two dummy stabs!

The lesson he was teaching was...there's only one defence against a knife attack....running away! He taught us theory and drills against blunt weapons, axehandles etc...but when it came to knives...it was always the same! Run. (at least at the lower traing levels that i was in)

You have to be careful about turning and running at times, too; the result might simply be that you sustain stab wounds in the back.

Now getting out of the situation quickly is never bad, so I don't criticize your sensei's advice. But you have to tailor it to the situation.

Getting off the center line of attack is paramount; it can add valuable time that will allow you to respond effectively.

Backing up in a straight line is usually no good, since the attacker can run faster forward than we can run backward.

Get off that center line. It saved me injury/death at least twice, maybe more.

The training you guys did was excellent; just "knowing" the facts are nowhere near as effective as actually experiencing them.

[MaxStatic]

You can have flashbacks, movies in your mind that you have no control over. The **** incident will begin replaying in your mind at the most inconvenient times and there's not a **** thing you can do about it. Anxiety. Depression. Had it all.

That is the stone truth, I STILL have nightmares and it's been close to 6 years. In the 3 years I was LEO, I only had a handful read 2 maybe 3 really bad situations that still bug me. It never goes away, never will, changed who I was and makes me who I am today.

[Dr. Snubnose]

A 60 year old man with a knife from a dead start can cover 21 feet in a little more than a second....think what a young strong 20 year old can do...if you carry a firearm...at that distance it better be in your hand...if not you might find the firearm impossible to use...better to sharpen your empty hand skills for those distances.....Doc :D

[Fred Sanford]

I watched this video and thought.....uh.......WTH? Looks like people just threw together a bunch of crap and put bad music in along with it.

I mean I get the first about 50 seconds of the clip but the rest is just goofball.

[clownothorns]

A 60 year old man with a knife from a dead start can cover 21 feet in a little more than a second....think what a young strong 20 year old can do...if you carry a firearm...at that distance it better be in your hand...if not you might find the firearm impossible to use...better to sharpen your empty hand skills for those distances.....Doc :D

Yes! hahaha Love it! :D

[gac]

I watched this video and thought.....uh.......WTH? Looks like people just threw together a bunch of crap and put bad music in along with it.

I mean I get the first about 50 seconds of the clip but the rest is just goofball.

Putting together video clips with a song is a popular thing for some people. I'm sure the point was just silliness.

[RJNC]

I like the run defense, makes sense. I run away, draw my knife and wait to turn the tables.

[v8r]

I have a few questions for those that have experience in Law enforcement,Military,and Martial arts. What would you rather have when it all goes wrong ...a knife or a gun? Which do you feel is more effective at ending the problem, and why?I know what I would pick, but there are some who think getting in to a knife/gun/whatever fight is a fun or glamorus thing.I was always taught be aware of your surroundings and don't go looking for trouble. :confused:

[Jimd]

Personally, I'd rather have a gun in most circumstances. I've trained extensively in close quarters shooting and have a lot of confidence in my abilities. Plus, generally speaking, a firearm allows you to deal with the threat without having to touch the threat, assuming you haven't been caught too unawares.

Knives do have some virtues as close quarters weapons; they're terrifying. Facing a knife was terrifying every time I've ever gone up against one. They can also be effective against opponents.

[Clawhammer]

Firearms give you options;

they give you distance from your attacker; which in turn gives you time & options;

decide to shoot, take another shot or retreat & gives your attacker the option to back-off.

(if you let your assailant get too close, you may as well have a bow or a knife)