Spyderco Warrior

[Sequimite]

Folks can say what they will, the extremely discrete highly responsible way Spyderco handled the advertising of the Matriarch, and of the Civilian at one time, was laudable. The way the Warrior is being rolled out, in my opinion, is less so. I'm no fool, I know **** well that once something exists, some of it will inevitably fall into the wrong hands. Just don't see the need to make that happen faster and easier.

I think I take your point, that there is a moral line beyond which violence is glamorized for the purpose of sales to the overly impressionable and even unstable. I agree there is a line, but I'll be damned if I know where it is. A huge amount of advertising dollars are dedicated to linking sex to product and the resulting objectification of of women probably contributes to a certain number of rapes each year.

The relationships are so complex that I guess we each have to go with our gut in detecting when that line is crossed. I would insist however, that since my gut is larger than yours it is probably more accurate.

[The Deacon]

I think I take your point, that there is a moral line beyond which violence is glamorized for the purpose of sales to the overly impressionable and even unstable. I agree there is a line, but I'll be damned if I know where it is. A huge amount of advertising dollars are dedicated to linking sex to product and the resulting objectification of of women probably contributes to a certain number of rapes each year.

The relationships are so complex that I guess we each have to go with our gut in detecting when that line is crossed. I would insist however, that since my gut is larger than yours it is probably more accurate.

In this case, more of a retreat from what was perhaps the extremely high moral ground to a more neutral position. Not full frontal nudity, just removing the veil, so to speak.

And yes, the relationships are complex. In a way, that's the whole point. So wherever each of us puts that line, it's simply an opinion. I may draw it differently than you, there may be things which bother you which would not bother me, and visa-versa.

[v8r]

Do gang bangers carry knives anymore?I would think they would have a handgun or submachine gun.I would think they would take that 300 plus dollars and buy a gun because it is easier to use, since everybody wants "Easy". :rolleyes:

Has Spyderco ever advertised this knife in magazines or anything.From what I have seen Kristi put some pictures up in the Spyderco Forums and on Facebook.The only people that are going to visit the Forum or their Facebook page are most likely going to be knife enthusiast(most notably Spyderco fans).How is this "openly advertising" :confused:

All of this because Kristi was trying to be nice and post some pics for our enjoyment? :rolleyes: WOW

[MCM]

We need to step back and think for a moment.
If I was planning a violent crime, a semi-custom classic hi dollar knife would not be my 1st choice.

A $10.00 Machete, used baseball bat etc would be the way to go.

Not a $300.00 throw back of a 20 year old design that's now impervious to rust.

This is getting really silly.

This whole moral dilemma about a collectable limited production knife.

Some folks watch too much new's....... And are buying it....

[v8r]

We need to step back and think for a moment.
If I was planning a violent crime, a semi-custom classic hi dollar knife would not be my 1st choice.

A $10.00 Machete, used baseball bat etc would be the way to go.

Not a $300.00 throw back of a 20 year old design that's now impervious to rust.

This is getting really silly.

This whole moral dilemma about a collectable limited production knife.

Some folks watch too much new's....... And are buying it....

Couldn't have said it better my self :)

[sgteldridge]

Be glad when its release I want one bad

[Toast]

Not for me. I think I would like the design much more with a more normal drop point. I do like the fact that is has normal serrations on the top instead of teeth. I also really like the grip.

[jonsidneyb]

Can I put an image of that on my forum?

[Tonie Nichols]

Tonie,

Your manners are as bad as your reasoning. Stop making ad hominen attacks. There are many places on the web for political rants; this is not one of them.

ps: "These totalitarians will eventually win. Look at England, Australia and Canada" Oh, and look up totalitarian in the dictionary; it does not mean what you think it means.

Maybe I am exhibiting bad manners, by confronting somebody for their irrational and judgmental criticism. And I certainly am taking a more strident tone than I prefer. But we just went through one battle with a bureaucratic body trying to shut down makers like Spyderco and now here we are with a "supporter" whining about how the Warrior scares him and how Spyderco is being irresponsible and how it doesn't help "his case" in proving to his acquaintances that knives aren't weapons.

Gee, it's okay for Deacon and others to make political statements and criticisms but not me?

Once you've had to defend yourself and your family from assault and gang rape you might have a different opinion.

And by the way, did YOU look that word up in the dictionary? Merriam Webster online says- it is of or relating to centralized control by an autocratic leader or hierarchy. Authoritarian, dictatorial, especially DESPOTIC. Of or relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures (as censorship and terrorism)

Call it fascism, socialism, liberalism, progressive politics or the Democrat Party, that is the perfect definition for their politics.

This type of attitude of appeasement is the same as was demonstrated by Neville Chamberlain when he negotiated with Hitler and declared "peace in our time". You cannot appease sheeple and you will never win their approval they are totalitarians dedicated to controlling other persons lives.

[Sequimite]

The point is that Deacon expressed a personal opinion about Spyderco actions and policies. I disagreed with him and gave my reasoning.

You, on the other hand dismissed him as a coward, a personal attack, rather than addressing his specific points. Then you went on a political rant, concluding that England, Australia and Canada are totalitarian countries.

I'm not going to rebut the political portion of your statement because it is against forum rules. I appreciate that your personal experience has given you a unique and passionate perspective, but I believe you were out of line. Nothing personal. . .

edit - I apologize for coming on a little strong in my previous post.

[smikesmith3]

If your hating on this knife cause it's too big than you should hate on every other knife you own in your collection cause skin is only 1.5mm thick. I guess that cricket is too big for you too.

[Piercieve]

Guys this knife is designed as a fighting/field knife shouldn't it be marketed as such? Am I missing something?

Mind you, I haven't read everything yet.

[v8r]

I don't believe anyone is mistaken about what it was designed for,but it seems some folks think it shouldn't be marketed to the general public?Didn't a lot of folks here help fight the Legislation that Customs was trying to impose on us.While I have no problem with "Switchblades" , weren't they designed as a "fighting" knife?I would love to be able to legally own a switchblade(Embassy), but they are not legal in this country.My point is aren't we taking a step backwards when we say that the knife in question shouldn't be marketed to the general public because it was designed as a "fighting knife".If this is what people think then everyone with a knife with a blade over three inches,is a "Assisted opening",Old Kabar, Old military rifles with bayonets, or kitchen knives, or any other remotely "dangerous looking" knives should just send them to the government because they shouldn't be owned by the general public.I'm sorry folks this all seems a little silly to me in my limited intelligence. :confused:

[The Deacon]

I don't believe anyone is mistaken about what it was designed for,but it seems some folks think it shouldn't be marketed to the general public?Didn't a lot of folks here help fight the Legislation that Customs was trying to impose on us.While I have no problem with "Switchblades" , weren't they designed as a "fighting" knife?I would love to be able to legally own a switchblade(Embassy), but they are not legal in this country.My point is aren't we taking a step backwards when we say that the knife in question shouldn't be marketed to the general public because it was designed as a "fighting knife".If this is what people think then everyone with a knife with a blade over three inches,is a "Assisted opening",Old Kabar, Old military rifles with bayonets, or kitchen knives, or any other remotely "dangerous looking" knives should just send them to the government because they shouldn't be owned by the general public.I'm sorry folks this all seems a little silly to me in my limited intelligence. :confused:

Not at all. There's a world of difference between the government telling me, or a company, that we cannot do something and my deciding, or the company deciding, that it is inappropriate to do it. The first is a repression of freedom, the other, in a very real way, an expression of it. It's the freedom NOT to follow the herd. The freedom NOT to jump off the cliff just because all the other lemmings are jumping off.

[Buffalohump]

There's nothing wrong with using a knife as a weapon. Come on, this is political correctness gone insane. The UK is an excellent example of this. Do you realise they are now trying to ban the use of glasses and bottles in pubs because they are occasionally used as weapons?

This type of idiotic reasoning is a very real problem in this modern day world of ours and should not be dismissed. People in the United Kingdom have been so brainwashed by the bleatings of their own media that they now have a very real and irrational fear of knives.

I have personal experience of this within my own family (my sister lives in London) and I do not exaggerate. They think if they can somehow ban knives, they will stop the violence in their cities. Poppycock!

A knife can be both a weapon and a tool. End of story. Whether it is a tool first and a weapon second can be debated until the end of time. Spyderco are calling a spade a spade and I applaud them for their forthrightness and honesty.

[v8r]

I still fail to see what the real issue is.If a customer decides to use a knife as a weapon, that is the customers choice.Most anything within hands reach can be used as a weapon.I don't feel as if Sal and company are breaking Any moral codeby releasing this knife to the public.If Sal decides not to release the product to the general public than that is fine.I bet if you asked Sal in person he would probably tell you most of the knife laws that are out there are pretty rediculous.But being a law abiding citizen that he is he chooses to obey the law.

[Blerv]

Wow this is still going?

I can argue against the Warrior regarding style and function but different strokes for different folks. I've said that the design and intent of such a model seems a bit contrived as I don't know how many people are dropping their guns in combat and reaching for their specialized rust-proof killing machines. Are they still using musket loaders in Israel? jk

This said, Spyderco was approached and asked to make a knife. I assume they did a standard run and paid a premium price for the R&D time. They got what they wanted and I sure hope they are happy (because it's a serious tool). If Sal will build stuff for forum members with NO FINANCIAL BACKING I would sure hope he wouldn't roll his eyes and tell a foreign military to piss off.

This knife is not world leveling nuclear weapon technology. One of the most common tools of mayhem is a screwdriver closely followed by a box cutter (from what I hear).

If you like it cool. If not, fine. Freedom of speech, American flag, etc.

[v8r]

Wow this is still going?


This knife is not world leveling nuclear weapon technology. One of the most common tools of mayhem is a screwdriver closely followed by a box cutter (from what I hear).

If you like it cool. If not, fine. Freedom of speech, American flag, etc.

Good point. Like I said before most anything within hands reach can be used as a weapon. :)

[sal]

Obvioulsy this is not something a customer will take to the mall shopping.

Will some "normal" knife people purchase one for interest or collection or historical value? probably. But our market for the model is military.

The market for the P'Kal is undercover law enforcement.

The market for the Meerkat is "G" rated.

The market for the Viele is collector.

The market for our Rescue models in first responders.

The market for our Salts is for corrosion resistance carry.

The Warrior model was posted for interest and discussion, not to "get you to buy one". It's a pretty expensive piece. It took a long time to develop with much adversity.

Conversation is certainly more emotional that we would have thought.

:confused:

sal

[bammann45]

Dear lord. This is an odd thread, particularly for this forums. It's just a new knife model. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Live and let live.

I personally hope Spyderco makes $$ on it so they can continue making lots of interesting models for me to pick and choose from.